jdaming Posted February 23, 2009 Report Share Posted February 23, 2009 [hv=d=s&v=n&s=sqjt953ha965dckq7]133|100|Scoring: IMP[/hv] First seat assuming you open a ♠ you here a forcing 1NT what is your rebid? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
peachy Posted February 23, 2009 Report Share Posted February 23, 2009 2H. If the 4-card suit had been a minor, then 2S. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dicklont Posted February 23, 2009 Report Share Posted February 23, 2009 2♥. You don't know yet how weak/strong responder is. Over 2♠ invite with 3♠, responder is showing his weakest raise, pass could be best.Over 3♥ raise to game. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mike777 Posted February 23, 2009 Report Share Posted February 23, 2009 2h I hope this shows hearts' Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Codo Posted February 23, 2009 Report Share Posted February 23, 2009 With the second suit being a major, 2 ♥ will be obvious to anybody. Well, not anybody, there are always people who have another opinion, but as close to 100 % as possible in this forum. When the second suit is a minor, taste differs.I like to show the second suit, because:1. It describes 9 cards from your hand, not just 6. 2. It is much easier to show your 6. spade later then to show a second suit later.3. When you belong in spades, you may still reach this goal after bidding your second suit now. When you belong in your second suit, it is now or never. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mtvesuvius Posted February 23, 2009 Report Share Posted February 23, 2009 Roland's reasoning is flawless IMO... I agree 100% with him. I will raise 3♥ to 4I will raise 2♠ to 3I will bid 3♠ over 2NT Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
qwery_hi Posted February 23, 2009 Report Share Posted February 23, 2009 Same, except I would pass 2♠, Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fluffy Posted February 23, 2009 Report Share Posted February 23, 2009 I like to show as much cards as I can to deprive partner from thinking that diamonds might be a good strain. I would pass 2♠ from partner (partner could have only 4 HCP!) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Apollo81 Posted February 23, 2009 Report Share Posted February 23, 2009 2♥ -- in this auction partner should normally take a preference to 2♠ with 2-3 in the majors. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Free Posted February 23, 2009 Report Share Posted February 23, 2009 2♥ wtp Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
peachy Posted February 23, 2009 Report Share Posted February 23, 2009 With the second suit being a major, 2 ♥ will be obvious to anybody. Well, not anybody, there are always people who have another opinion, but as close to 100 % as possible in this forum. When the second suit is a minor, taste differs.I like to show the second suit, because:1. It describes 9 cards from your hand, not just 6. 2. It is much easier to show your 6. spade later then to show a second suit later.3. When you belong in spades, you may still reach this goal after bidding your second suit now. When you belong in your second suit, it is now or never. Good bridge authors recommend rebid of the 6-card major UNLESS the 4-card suit is hearts ("never" bypass hearts) and with better than minimum, rebid the 4-card suit. Judgment exceptions exist in this or any other bidding priciple, for example 10xxxxx-AKJ10 or AKQ109x-7xxx. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jdaming Posted February 24, 2009 Author Report Share Posted February 24, 2009 Sorry for clogging the forums with a wtp and I agree with all of you I was just making sure I was right (at least about this hand). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Codo Posted February 24, 2009 Report Share Posted February 24, 2009 Good bridge authors recommend rebid of the 6-card major UNLESS the 4-card suit is hearts ("never" bypass hearts) and with better than minimum, rebid the 4-card suit. Judgment exceptions exist in this or any other bidding priciple, for example 10xxxxx-AKJ10 or AKQ109x-7xxx. There are several good authors. Not all agree with you, some do. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
neilkaz Posted February 24, 2009 Report Share Posted February 24, 2009 Sorry for clogging the forums with a wtp and I agree with all of you I was just making sure I was right (at least about this hand). There's zero need to be sorry. You didn't post this in Adv/Exp and these forums are for discussing and learning. For me, I rebid 2♥ with this decent 4 card suit and looking for a major fit. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
peachy Posted February 24, 2009 Report Share Posted February 24, 2009 Good bridge authors recommend rebid of the 6-card major UNLESS the 4-card suit is hearts ("never" bypass hearts) and with better than minimum, rebid the 4-card suit. Judgment exceptions exist in this or any other bidding priciple, for example 10xxxxx-AKJ10 or AKQ109x-7xxx. There are several good authors. Not all agree with you, some do. It is the other way around B) The authors do not agree with what I have to say; I agree with what the authors write. If you can find a reference by a good bridge author who does not share the view I explained, share please. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PrecisionL Posted February 24, 2009 Report Share Posted February 24, 2009 2♠ is my rebid. Although this is a 5 1/2 loser hand, I want to play it in spades unless partner is strong enough to take another call. My experience is that partner will pass with 1♠ and 3♥. Diamond leads will probably kill a 4-3 heart contract. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
awm Posted February 24, 2009 Report Share Posted February 24, 2009 2♠ is my rebid. Although this is a 5 1/2 loser hand, I want to play it in spades unless partner is strong enough to take another call. My experience is that partner will pass with 1♠ and 3♥. Diamond leads will probably kill a 4-3 heart contract. It's true that rebidding 2♠ will gain when partner has precisely 1♠-3♥ and a fairly bad hand. But rebidding 2♥ will gain any time partner has 4-5♥, and some of these gains will in fact be game swings (i.e. partner has 1543 shape and 9-10 points, might pass a 2♠ rebid but would get us to game if we rebid 2♥). Combining the frequency and magnitude of gain will, I expect, indicate that 2♥ is a better rebid here. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jdonn Posted February 24, 2009 Report Share Posted February 24, 2009 But rebidding 2♥ will gain any time partner has 4-5♥ I think it's quite likely that spades will play better when partner is 2-4 in the majors. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dicklont Posted February 25, 2009 Report Share Posted February 25, 2009 Good bridge authors recommend rebid of the 6-card major UNLESS the 4-card suit is hearts ("never" bypass hearts) and with better than minimum, rebid the 4-card suit. [snip] There are several good authors. Not all agree with you, some do. [snip]If you can find a reference by a good bridge author who does not share the view I explained, share please. Mike Lawrence, in his workbook on the 2 over 1 system recommends to rebid the sixcard ♠ and not the fourcard ♥.He makes an exception when the heart suit has more HCP than the spade suit. But Mike Lawrence is not a "good bridge author"; he is excellent. ;) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cascade Posted February 25, 2009 Report Share Posted February 25, 2009 Good bridge authors recommend rebid of the 6-card major UNLESS the 4-card suit is hearts ("never" bypass hearts) and with better than minimum, rebid the 4-card suit. [snip] There are several good authors. Not all agree with you, some do. [snip]If you can find a reference by a good bridge author who does not share the view I explained, share please. Mike Lawrence, in his workbook on the 2 over 1 system recommends to rebid the sixcard ♠ and not the fourcard ♥.He makes an exception when the heart suit has more HCP than the spade suit. But Mike Lawrence is nog a "good bridge author"; he is excellent. ;) Mike Lawrence had a rule of thumb in some earlier writing that with 6=4 rebid the suit with the most high card points. It is certainly very easy to construct hands where one or other rebid is bad. To those who like to rebid the four card suit because it tells partner more information there is another side to this well two other sides actually you also tell the opponents more information. If I have a six-card suit and I belong in that suit I would rather play the contract having not mentioned my second suit. Of course in the bidding you do not yet know where you belong so you have to make some sort of compromise between helping partner choose the best strain and depriving the opponents of information. For me currently having tried various approaches in this sort of situation I now tend towards rebidding my six-card suit. I do this less often when my four-card suit is hearts. I also do it less with better hands where the reward of a possible slam/game is greater. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jdonn Posted February 25, 2009 Report Share Posted February 25, 2009 If I have a six-card suit and I belong in that suit I would rather play the contract having not mentioned my second suit. Of course in the bidding you do not yet know where you belong so you have to make some sort of compromise between helping partner choose the best strain and depriving the opponents of information. There is more than strain to consider. Even if you end up playing in the first suit, bidding the second suit will aid in partner's evaluation. For example if you open 1♠ and then bid a second suit and partner has a 10 count with xxx of the second suit, he may make an accurate decision to go back to 2♠ rather than if you had simply rebid the spades that he might have raised to 3♠. So if you belong in the second suit you certainly want to bid it, and if you belong in the first suit you may or may not want to bid the second suit. That creates a strong case for generally bidding the second suit, though I could understand an exception for the OP's hand based on suit quality. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hanp Posted February 26, 2009 Report Share Posted February 26, 2009 2H, Rosenberg's rule. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
orlam Posted February 26, 2009 Report Share Posted February 26, 2009 2H, Rosenberg's rule. LOL. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skjaeran Posted February 26, 2009 Report Share Posted February 26, 2009 2♦, transfer, rebidding spades over 2/3♥.Oh, we don't transfer here, too bad. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lexlogan Posted February 26, 2009 Report Share Posted February 26, 2009 2♠. Generally I would rebid the hearts with this shape, but this particular hand looks like it will belong in spades far more often than hearts. I don't want to hear partner bid 3D; even if he has 4 hearts, I may be able to dump heart losers if they aren't trumps; my black suits won't benefit from being able to ruff them in partner's hand. 2♠ limits the hand quickly. Yes, I may miss a nine or ten card heart fit bidding this way. But I don't think I'll miss many good games. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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