nbailey Posted February 23, 2009 Report Share Posted February 23, 2009 [hv=d=e&v=b&s=skqjthktxxxdxxckq]133|100|Scoring: MP[/hv] At matchpoint scoring, with all vul RHO opens 1♦. Do you overcall in hearts, make a takeout double, or try something else? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jdonn Posted February 23, 2009 Report Share Posted February 23, 2009 It looks a little odd but I like double, mostly because the hearts are bad. In practice 1♥ simply tends to lose the spades. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jillybean Posted February 23, 2009 Report Share Posted February 23, 2009 Double, best chance of finding a fit.(This is one double I am certain wont be misunderstood) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
benlessard Posted February 23, 2009 Report Share Posted February 23, 2009 1H, obvious. In not doubling 2D in balance. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
marcD Posted February 23, 2009 Report Share Posted February 23, 2009 1H, obvious. In not doubling 2D in balance. Agree; This is actually why i dbl : this is a one bid hand and if so dbl comes closer to describing it than 1♥ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gwnn Posted February 23, 2009 Report Share Posted February 23, 2009 NV I'd like 1H more than double, now I think double is better because V i can't double l8r. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MFA Posted February 23, 2009 Report Share Posted February 23, 2009 1♥. Most of the time I'll strongly prefer a 1-lvl overcall to a double with 4-5 in the majors and this hand is not really an exception. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
helene_t Posted February 23, 2009 Report Share Posted February 23, 2009 I would "always" bid 1♥ with this shape and values but the honor concentration in the black suites is so extreme that I slightly prefer double. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hanoi5 Posted February 23, 2009 Report Share Posted February 23, 2009 If you double what do you bid over partner's 2♣? What if it goes 1♦-X-1♠-Pass?I bid 1♥, which should be standard. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
P_Marlowe Posted February 23, 2009 Report Share Posted February 23, 2009 1H. The alternative being 2D, but given the KQ in clubs,I am not sure I would make this bid. With kind regardsMarlowe Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fluffy Posted February 23, 2009 Report Share Posted February 23, 2009 1♥, as others said, if you wanna put spades into the picture try 2♦, double is asking for a stupid 3♣ contract. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
655321 Posted February 23, 2009 Report Share Posted February 23, 2009 I am in the 1♥ camp, I also strongly prefer bidding my 5 card major when 5-4 in the majors. There might be hands where I would find a double instead, but for me this is not such a hand. I don't hate double, it could easily work, but it is against my religion. :) I do hate Michaels - showing 5/5 in the majors when I have essentially a balanced hand seems horrible to me. True, I have seen people play this style, but I have never understood how they make it work. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mtvesuvius Posted February 23, 2009 Report Share Posted February 23, 2009 2♦ would keep ♠ in the picture, but I promise 5-5 when I michaels... Always.This is very close between 1♥ and X. The deciding factor for me is that LHO will probably not bid, and so partner will almost certainly bid ♣, and partner can bid a 4 Card ♠ suit over 1♥... This means that we don't lose the ♠ suit that often. Also, if LHO bids now we have a few clues as to what is going on... 2♠ pre-balance over 2♦ is always possible. Also, what if RHO rebids 2♣? Now we have the perfect X available to show our hand. 1♥ for me. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fachiru Posted February 23, 2009 Report Share Posted February 23, 2009 It looks a little odd but I like double, mostly because the hearts are bad. In practice 1♥ simply tends to lose the spades. +1To me it's: X=10; 1♥=4 @ this form of scoring. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rogerclee Posted February 23, 2009 Report Share Posted February 23, 2009 I like 1♥. For 1♥:1) Partner can compete effectively with 3♥ and not 4♠, and in fact partner may dislike his spade suit so much that we will miss a lot of spade fits even if we double.2) Partner doesn't compete in clubs, which will be wrong more often than right. For double:1) Doesn't lose spades. Spades can play better if partner's hearts are bad, but if partner's hearts are good the two strains rate to play about the same. Spades may also play better just because the opening bidder is on lead.2) Increases the chance that we get a spade lead if partner is on lead. Even a club lead is probably better than a heart lead. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phil Posted February 23, 2009 Report Share Posted February 23, 2009 This is the San Diego Michaels Hand. It's also very good for a Roman jump overcall of 2♥. I really don't have a strong preference between 1♥ and double, although I like double a bit more, just because the spades are great and the hearts so-so. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jdonn Posted February 23, 2009 Report Share Posted February 23, 2009 I don't know why it's automatically bad if partner bids clubs? Maybe it's bad more than not, but I bet it's fine or even best a very reasonable percentage of the time. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Apollo81 Posted February 23, 2009 Report Share Posted February 23, 2009 Double, and very satisfied with it. I like spades and hearts about equally, and if pard bids notrump or clubs I'm fine with that too. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
awm Posted February 23, 2009 Report Share Posted February 23, 2009 I like double on this particular hand. Clubs are probably okay if partner has five of them. If partner has only four clubs and has no four-card major, then a fairly high percentage of the time he will bid notrump rather than introduce what must be a fairly lousy club suit (given I have KQ). If you move the values around a little bit (better hearts, weaker clubs/spades, maybe a diamond card) then you could easily convince me to bid 1♥. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nbailey Posted February 24, 2009 Author Report Share Posted February 24, 2009 Thanks for your replies. I was in the double camp, because of the poor quality heart suit and the great spades. KQ of clubs was ok for me because even if partner bids clubs he will usually have 5 or more and KQ tight will play ok in that strain. At the table I doubled, which worked out badly as LHO redoubled and partner bid 2♣ with xx/Qx/xxx/Txxxxx. clubs were 4-1 so we were doubled and lost 500. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phil Posted February 24, 2009 Report Share Posted February 24, 2009 Thanks for your replies. I was in the double camp, because of the poor quality heart suit and the great spades. KQ of clubs was ok for me because even if partner bids clubs he will usually have 5 or more and KQ tight will play ok in that strain. At the table I doubled, which worked out badly as LHO redoubled and partner bid 2♣ with xx/Qx/xxx/Txxxxx. clubs were 4-1 so we were doubled and lost 500. So you play your 8 card fit and you go -2 when clubs go 4-1. By the way, the opponents can make 3N. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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