hrothgar Posted February 23, 2009 Report Share Posted February 23, 2009 IMPS White versus Red ♠ KQTxx♥ JT85♦ Qxx♣ x Auction starts 1♦ - (2♣) - X - (3♣)3♦ - (P) - ??? What's your call? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jillybean Posted February 23, 2009 Report Share Posted February 23, 2009 pass Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fluffy Posted February 23, 2009 Report Share Posted February 23, 2009 I pass, partner would double if he had a good hand. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mtvesuvius Posted February 23, 2009 Report Share Posted February 23, 2009 Pass. Partner had a X available, and I really don't see where we are going here? What would we be trying to accomplish by bidding here? After all, partner did limit his hand. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sathyab Posted February 23, 2009 Report Share Posted February 23, 2009 Pass. Partner had a X available, and I really don't see where we are going here? What would we be trying to accomplish by bidding here? After all, partner did limit his hand.Partner has X available, but he is the one with length in clubs. If he doubled here, he risks his partner bidding 3M when he doesn't have Diamond tolerance. If responder had 5-5-2-1 he'd somewhat stuck, not anxious to defend 3♣, but not sure if bidding 3♦ on a worthless doubleton is better. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OleBerg Posted February 23, 2009 Report Share Posted February 23, 2009 3½♦ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rogerclee Posted February 23, 2009 Report Share Posted February 23, 2009 I would bid 4♦. Saying that partner can double here is not meaningful, double does not show a good hand with diamonds. You will usually just bid 3M over this, which bypasses 3♦. Consequently it is standard for 3♦ here to show a good hand, or at least good playing strength, for diamonds. You just have to pass with minimum hands with 6♦, but that is really not so bad anyway. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Impact Posted February 23, 2009 Report Share Posted February 23, 2009 Just how bad is 3S? You should be ok to get to 4D at least and this gives you a shot at the Major game without overstating your strength, and your hand has been steadily improved by the bidding (shortage in their suit, real D with playing strength opposite). I know we are not vul, but there is still a bonus for game bids!! I hate people who bid this way with 5+5+Majors - but realise that that is a possible interpretation for some. regards, Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rogerclee Posted February 23, 2009 Report Share Posted February 23, 2009 Just how bad is 3S? I think this should show 6 spades, and so partner is definitely going to raise us with 2 spades and will sometimes raise us with a singleton. I think 5♦ will usually be a better contract in the first scenario and will almost always be better in the second scenario. If partner bids 4M after 4♦ it is a choice of games with 3 cards in the major, so we will still get to most of our 5-3 spade fits if we bid 4♦. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Codo Posted February 23, 2009 Report Share Posted February 23, 2009 My partner had no double avaiable, because that had shown both majors- responsive- so his only way to show a good hand with diamonds and with no real club stopper was to bid 3 ♦ now. We do not play NFBs (at least it was not posted), so I can bid 3 Spade now, showing 5 spades, hoping that this will lead to 3 NT 4 Spades or 5 Diamond. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the hog Posted February 23, 2009 Report Share Posted February 23, 2009 I agree with Fred. I like 3S now. Partner knows we on't have 6 S because we surely would have bid them on the round before. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fluffy Posted February 23, 2009 Report Share Posted February 23, 2009 I agree with Fred. I like 3S now. Partner knows we on't have 6 S because we surely would have bid them on the round before. This depends on agreements Ron. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hanoi5 Posted February 23, 2009 Report Share Posted February 23, 2009 Pass, but if I were in desperate need of imp's I'd bid 4♦. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
P_Marlowe Posted February 23, 2009 Report Share Posted February 23, 2009 3S. I did throw a dice, it showed, we play game, so we either play 4S or 5C. I cant bid 4D because this would be a move towardslam. With kind regardsMarlowe Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fachiru Posted February 23, 2009 Report Share Posted February 23, 2009 3S. I did throw a dice, it showed, we play game, so we either play 4S or 5C. I cant bid 4D because this would be a move towardslam. With kind regardsMarlowe Does this make any sense or it is just me? I'm a 3♠ bidder; I already promised both majors, and now I'm sugesting a valid strain for game, which may well be the winner. I think ♦ tolerance is implied as I could easily pass 3♦ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
P_Marlowe Posted February 23, 2009 Report Share Posted February 23, 2009 3S. I did throw a dice, it showed, we play game, so we either play 4S or 5C. I cant bid 4D because this would be a move towardslam. With kind regardsMarlowe Does this make any sense or it is just me? I'm a 3♠ bidder; I already promised both majors, and now I'm sugesting a valid strain for game, which may well be the winner. I think ♦ tolerance is implied as I could easily pass 3♦ Not sure, in which direction the comment goes. For me it is either pass, or driving towards game.I think it is close, and depending on my mood, my decision may be different, if you would ask me tommorow. With kind regardsMarlowe Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fluffy Posted February 23, 2009 Report Share Posted February 23, 2009 3♠ bidders really puzzle me. By doubling and then bidding 3 spades we are showing one of these 2: -Weak hand with long spades, not strong enough to bid 2♠ before. -Opening values with 5+ spades (Negative free bid). None of these 2 types of hand is close to ours Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kfay Posted February 23, 2009 Report Share Posted February 23, 2009 How can I not raise here? I am (really) short in clubs and not short in diamonds. Partner doesn't really know any of this. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Free Posted February 23, 2009 Report Share Posted February 23, 2009 Seems like a simple pass to me Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Apollo81 Posted February 23, 2009 Report Share Posted February 23, 2009 Pass. Most partners deserve a nice dummy once in a while, and partner may have already guessed our minor shape by looking at his own club length. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Echognome Posted February 23, 2009 Report Share Posted February 23, 2009 I pass. I think double got most of my values and shape across. I think we are a long way away from game here. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gnasher Posted February 23, 2009 Report Share Posted February 23, 2009 If the choice were between bidding game and playing in 3♦, I'd pass, but I wouldn't be particularly happy about it: partner might easily have something like xx AK AKxxxx xxx. I think 4♦ should be invitational. If so, it seems about right. I think it would be optimistic to expect him to introduce a 3-card spade suit on the way to 5♦ - my partners never seem to think of that sort of thing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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