benlessard Posted February 18, 2009 Report Share Posted February 18, 2009 What is the classic meaning of 1S--4H if playing 2/1 ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
helene_t Posted February 18, 2009 Report Share Posted February 18, 2009 Splinter. I prefer to play it as to play, though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jdonn Posted February 18, 2009 Report Share Posted February 18, 2009 All I've learned is do not try to figure it out by looking at your hand. I have seen more than a couple 1-1 and 1-2 fits this way. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
straube Posted February 18, 2009 Report Share Posted February 18, 2009 splinter. The classic meaning of 1S-3H is a strong jump shift, so 1S-4H is the first available splinter. I'm not fond of this method and I don't think many people play it, but I think that's the right answer to your question. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phil Posted February 18, 2009 Report Share Posted February 18, 2009 4♥ hasn't been played as natural for a long time. Another little chestnut is 1N - 2♥ - 2♠ - 4♥. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gerben42 Posted February 18, 2009 Report Share Posted February 18, 2009 How classic do you want it? Strong jump shifts are EXTREMELY classic. It's rather common to play 3♥ as splinter and 4♥ as NATURAL. Still with a pickup I'd think "Splinter". With the natural hand he should bid 1NT followed by 4♥. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
paulg Posted February 18, 2009 Report Share Posted February 18, 2009 I've played it as natural for decades. Some more recent partnerships have it as splinter ... except in competition. p Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the hog Posted February 18, 2009 Report Share Posted February 18, 2009 Splinter. To be consistent with 1M 4m at any rate. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vang Posted February 18, 2009 Report Share Posted February 18, 2009 natural to play. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ant590 Posted February 18, 2009 Report Share Posted February 18, 2009 All I've learned is do not try to figure it out by looking at your hand. I have seen more than a couple 1-1 and 1-2 fits this way. Hell yeah! Our teammates played in the 1-1 fit as opposed to a 5-4 in a recent national event on this auction and played like stars to only go down three. Luckily on our table they (over?)bid to a spade slam off two, so a lack of discussion only cost 2 IMPs. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fluffy Posted February 18, 2009 Report Share Posted February 18, 2009 I would normally assume natural. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
paulg Posted February 18, 2009 Report Share Posted February 18, 2009 At the next forum indy I can see that we'll all be avoiding this auction! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Free Posted February 18, 2009 Report Share Posted February 18, 2009 Gerber :rolleyes: No seriously, this is a splinter. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mtvesuvius Posted February 18, 2009 Report Share Posted February 18, 2009 I would assume a Splinter, but if you have a ♥ splinter and it's undiscussed... Don't bid 4♥!... unless you want to test your 2-1 fit declaring skills... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mr1303 Posted February 18, 2009 Report Share Posted February 18, 2009 Last time it happened I had a heart void and had a very long thought about it. With any serious partner I make the agreement that 1S 3H is a splinter and 1S 4H is to play. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kenrexford Posted February 18, 2009 Report Share Posted February 18, 2009 I cannot imagine not discussing this. So, whatever we agreed. That said, a funny story. When I taught my wife splinters, I forgot to be specific about 1♥-P-3♠. EVerything else at the 4-level was a splinter and everything at the 3-level weak (actually, intermediate, like a strong weak 2). This anomaly was not discussed. So, 1♥-P-3♠ started a sequence where we ended up in 6♥. I had AKQxxx in hearts, opposite her stiff heart, but the suit split 3-3. I had spade support with her, and the spades split 2-2, missing the Ace. In one of the side suits, one opponent had a stiff. Thus, 6♥ made easily. However, against 6♠, the defense ended up scoring a ruff. Top board, well-bid. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skjaeran Posted February 18, 2009 Report Share Posted February 18, 2009 Standard here is void. But some play it as natural. Actually, I've got a good story here. The swedish laws guru, Hallén once played a tournament with a new partner. And of course this auction came up. Without any agreement. This was a long time ago, so natural was pretty normal. Hallén looked at his own hand to find a clue to what partner held. Looking at a void, he thought it was odds on that his partner had hearts, and passed. Becoming dummy in the 0-0 fit! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rossoneri Posted February 19, 2009 Report Share Posted February 19, 2009 All I've learned is do not try to figure it out by looking at your hand. I have seen more than a couple 1-1 and 1-2 fits this way. Hell yeah! Our teammates played in the 1-1 fit as opposed to a 5-4 in a recent national event on this auction and played like stars to only go down three. Luckily on our table they (over?)bid to a spade slam off two, so a lack of discussion only cost 2 IMPs. Dude, I went 5 off if you are talking about National Swiss. And yes, partner tried to deduce that it wasn't a splinter cos he had a singleton as well :P Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
neilkaz Posted February 19, 2009 Report Share Posted February 19, 2009 Splintering 1♠-4♥ takes up SO much room. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jillybean Posted February 19, 2009 Report Share Posted February 19, 2009 I cannot imagine not discussing this. So, whatever we agreed. That said, a funny story. When I taught my wife splinters, I forgot to be specific about 1♥-P-3♠. EVerything else at the 4-level was a splinter and everything at the 3-level weak (actually, intermediate, like a strong weak 2). This anomaly was not discussed. Hi Ken,I learned all splinters except 1♥:3♠ at the 4level, now Im learning how important it is to be specific. How about 1♣:1♥ 3♦. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
neilkaz Posted February 19, 2009 Report Share Posted February 19, 2009 I cannot imagine not discussing this. So, whatever we agreed. That said, a funny story. When I taught my wife splinters, I forgot to be specific about 1♥-P-3♠. EVerything else at the 4-level was a splinter and everything at the 3-level weak (actually, intermediate, like a strong weak 2). This anomaly was not discussed. Hi Ken,I learned all splinters except 1♥:3♠ at the 4level, now Im learning how important it is to be specific. How about 1♣:1♥ 3♦. Kathryn..if you can play splinters at a lower level you save room for PD to Q-bid or pattern out, or use some kind of semi/semi serious/frivolous 3NT. On the given sequence... 1♣-1M-any♦ a simple 2♦ call is a reverse and is limited only by the failure to open 2♣. Thus 3♦ can be a splinter. B/I/typical Adv have terrible issues with reverses. Some pass them with a min if the new suit sort of fits. Few know Leb or Ingberman and some of those that due screw it up. Others think a reverse is GF and go crazy with a few extra points and end up -2 or 3 in 6mX. I'll chime in here with a basic rant. First of all, in chess we remember all sorts of dozen move for both sides opening sequences. Looking for a good game of chess a couple years ago I drove 20 miles to a chess club, only to find it was mostly kids and watched two 1100+ rated players instantly crank out the first 11 moves of a common classical variation of the Dragon Sicilian. In backgammon we remember responses to the many opening moves and some followups and also countless endgame positions. So..in bridge, why can't we remember simple 2nd and 3rd and even 4th turn bidding sequences ? As long as the opp's don't intrude there's only 5 possible non-pass bids each turn so the memory load isn't too much. The problems are that there are so many different treatments for these sequences and players never agree and this drives many from the game and also makes it next to impossible to teach it to some players. Anyhow..it is good to have the next bid that is not forcing as a splinter. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
benlessard Posted February 20, 2009 Author Report Share Posted February 20, 2009 I knew that 1H----4S is to play in standard. Most pair i know seems to play 4H as a preempt because 4H as a splinter leave no room to cue bid. I knew partner didnt play exclusion and wasnt really fond of WJS. So ive assumed 3H is a splinter and passed 4H :( But after asking and checking in books in standard 4H is a splinter. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
peachy Posted February 21, 2009 Report Share Posted February 21, 2009 If splinters are on the cc, then 1S-4H is a splinter. UNLESS otherwise agreed, which means we must then make an agreement how to show a heart splinter when partner opens 1S. If it is *1S-3H is splinter* then need to agree how to bid the hand that would have bid 3H (SJS or WJS or fit-jump, whatever) now that 3H is reserved for splinter. Too much messy trouble for no real reason, IMO. Just keep the doublejump as splinter and trust that partner is able to recognize a doublejump. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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