jillybean Posted February 18, 2009 Report Share Posted February 18, 2009 Dealer: West Vul: All Scoring: IMP ♠ T72 ♥ ♦ AKT86532 ♣ T2 West North East South 1♣ 1♥ Pass ? Is this just a routine 2♦, 3♦'s ? Im south :( Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mike777 Posted February 18, 2009 Report Share Posted February 18, 2009 One nonexpert 5d bid here. I got an 8 card suit that I will not put down and I am vul at imps. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jdonn Posted February 18, 2009 Report Share Posted February 18, 2009 3 and 4 are fit jumps for me, so it's 2 or 5. Since it's partner's suit I'm void in, and I have no idea whose hand it is, I'll start with 2. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cascade Posted February 18, 2009 Report Share Posted February 18, 2009 2♦ for me. I hope to judge later exactly how many we can make. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
andy_h Posted February 18, 2009 Report Share Posted February 18, 2009 Same camp with Josh. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rogerclee Posted February 18, 2009 Report Share Posted February 18, 2009 2♦, since forcing to game by committing to 5♦ seems like a huge overbid to me. I predict partner will bid 2♥, then I will bid 3♦, and then partner can do what he likes. I also play that both 3♦ and 4♦ are fitted. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hotShot Posted February 18, 2009 Report Share Posted February 18, 2009 How strong is partners 1♥ overcall? Many would do that with 8+HCP and a good 5-card suit. For your hand a good ♥ suit contains wasted values. Try 2♦ and let partner and opps tell you more about their hands. If you don't win the contract with 2♦ you will be able to balance later. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
P_Marlowe Posted February 18, 2009 Report Share Posted February 18, 2009 2D, followed by 3D / 4D. With kind regardsMarlowe Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ant590 Posted February 18, 2009 Report Share Posted February 18, 2009 On a related note, I'm presuming most expert partnerships play 2♦ as forcing here? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rogerclee Posted February 18, 2009 Report Share Posted February 18, 2009 On a related note, I'm presuming most expert partnerships play 2♦ as forcing here? I play it's NF but shows values. Unless you overcall very soundly I think this is the right treatment, and it is "standard" in North America. Many people play transfers (also called Rubens advances), where 2♣ would show diamonds here, and 2♦ would show the strong raise. This way you can show different kinds of hands with diamonds, with the main downside being that your game try is a little worse, since it leaves less room for partner. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gerben42 Posted February 18, 2009 Report Share Posted February 18, 2009 I would simply bid 2♦, forcing or not. Let's keep the game simple. I will go to great lengths to make ♦ trumps, but if partner likes 3NT that's fine with me. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
P_Marlowe Posted February 18, 2009 Report Share Posted February 18, 2009 On a related note, I'm presuming most expert partnerships play 2♦ as forcing here? Not being an expert: But my guess is no. Several experts will use transfer responses to theovercall, so the issue non forcing / forcing doesnot crop up. With kind regardsMarlowe Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hanoi5 Posted February 18, 2009 Report Share Posted February 18, 2009 2♦, which I play to be non-forcing but it shows a stronger hand in terms of HCP. However, my hand is worth bidding 2♦ and 3♦ over partner's 2♥. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gerben42 Posted February 18, 2009 Report Share Posted February 18, 2009 On a related note, I'm presuming most expert partnerships play 2♦ as forcing here? No. It is common to play a new suit at the 2-level as nonforcing, at the 1- and 3-level as forcing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skjaeran Posted February 18, 2009 Report Share Posted February 18, 2009 I like USP (Useful Space Principle), and thus prefer 2♣ transfer.Not playing that, I'd go with 2♦, constructive, but NF. 3/4♦ is fitted, and I won't commit to 5♦ right here. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cascade Posted February 18, 2009 Report Share Posted February 18, 2009 On a related note, I'm presuming most expert partnerships play 2♦ as forcing here? I play it's NF but shows values. Unless you overcall very soundly I think this is the right treatment, and it is "standard" in North America. Many people play transfers (also called Rubens advances), where 2♣ would show diamonds here, and 2♦ would show the strong raise. This way you can show different kinds of hands with diamonds, with the main downside being that your game try is a little worse, since it leaves less room for partner. The transfer also gives extra room to the opponents which is an obvious disadvantage. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cascade Posted February 18, 2009 Report Share Posted February 18, 2009 On a related note, I'm presuming most expert partnerships play 2♦ as forcing here? It is forcing for me. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
paulg Posted February 19, 2009 Report Share Posted February 19, 2009 On a related note, I'm presuming most expert partnerships play 2♦ as forcing here?On a global basis I think the expert agreement is that it is either forcing or constructive but non-forcing. I don't even know what the 'standard UK' treatment is. Forcing for me if not playing transfers here. Paul Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Recommended Posts