awm Posted February 17, 2009 Report Share Posted February 17, 2009 You hold: ♠xx♥Q♦AT9xx♣AT98x After two passes, your LHO opens 2♠. Partner overcalls 3♥ and RHO passes. What is your call? Is this even a problem? When I held this hand at the table, one of my expert opponents indicated that he thought this was a "WTP" hand, and that it was "obvious" to make a particular call. The call he wanted to make was my fourth choice on the list of six calls in the poll.... :D Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Echognome Posted February 17, 2009 Report Share Posted February 17, 2009 Given partner is a passed hand I let this one go. If partner were an unpassed hand I would raise to 4♥. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
awm Posted February 17, 2009 Author Report Share Posted February 17, 2009 Given partner is a passed hand I let this one go. If partner were an unpassed hand I would raise to 4♥. Perhaps I wasn't clear. YOU are a passed hand, partner is not. The auction is: Pass - Pass - 2♠ - 3♥Pass - ???? If you routinely open ten-counts with stiff queens just because they're five-five in the minors, sorry. Pretend you had to sub for me after my ridiculous second-seat pass. :D Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HeavyDluxe Posted February 17, 2009 Report Share Posted February 17, 2009 I asked. AWM answered before I posted. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MarkDean Posted February 17, 2009 Report Share Posted February 17, 2009 I would bid 4♥, seems normal to me. btw, do we not get form of scoring and vulnerability, or is the idea to see if it is such a wtp you do the same thing regardless (as I would)? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
helene_t Posted February 17, 2009 Report Share Posted February 17, 2009 Surprised that an expert could call it a "wtp". No expert myself but am sure there will be votes for everything, maybe except for 4♣. Maybe stupid question, but why the rush to bid 4♥? Suppose we bid 3♠, then we may or may not sit for p's 3NT, but wouldn't it be nice if he bids 4m over our 3♠? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Walddk Posted February 17, 2009 Report Share Posted February 17, 2009 I think a problem hand like this should have vulnerability and scoring format. Vulnerable at IMPs I think 4♥ is clear; I am not sure what I will do at MP (pass is now an option), or non-vul at IMPs. In the latter instance I would likely also raise to 4♥, first of all because it's unlikely that we will have exactly 9 tricks available. Roland Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mtvesuvius Posted February 17, 2009 Report Share Posted February 17, 2009 (edited) I'm strangely attracted to 3♠, leaving 3NT in the picture opposite AQx AKJxxx xx xx at MPs. This is by no means a wtp, and I'm torn between 3♠ and 4♥, however 5m may play better than 4♥, if partner rebids 4m I can raise to 5, otherwise bid 4♥. Also, MPs or IMPs and Vul. really make a difference here, pass may even be valid at MPs. Edited February 17, 2009 by mtvesuvius Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jdonn Posted February 17, 2009 Report Share Posted February 17, 2009 It's nice to have discussed 3♠ doesn't promise support here, and anything else that stems from that agreement. If you are assuring me 3♠ promises heart support then I bid 4♣. I will try to leave any of the three suits other than spades in the picture. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mtvesuvius Posted February 17, 2009 Report Share Posted February 17, 2009 It's nice to have discussed 3♠ doesn't promise support here, and anything else that stems from that agreement. If you are assuring me 3♠ promises heart support then I bid 4♣. I will try to leave any of the three suits other than spades in the picture. True... 3♠ doesn't promise support IMO. It's like a LTT3NT type of bid also, essentially a Western Cuebid. So partner would show a spade stopper or a side 4 card minor, which is why I like 3♠. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Echognome Posted February 17, 2009 Report Share Posted February 17, 2009 Given partner is a passed hand I let this one go. If partner were an unpassed hand I would raise to 4♥. Perhaps I wasn't clear. YOU are a passed hand, partner is not. The auction is: Pass - Pass - 2♠ - 3♥Pass - ???? If you routinely open ten-counts with stiff queens just because they're five-five in the minors, sorry. Pretend you had to sub for me after my ridiculous second-seat pass. :) Nope. I don't. Maybe playing a strong club, but not part of the problem. I will go with my 2nd selection then of bidding 4♥. Glad I had covered my bases. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Walddk Posted February 17, 2009 Report Share Posted February 17, 2009 If you are assuring me 3♠ promises heart support then I bid 4♣. I will try to leave any of the three suits other than spades in the picture. Come to think of it a little deeper, I agree with jdonn. I like 4♣ better than 4♥. - 1. Partner could have 5 hearts and 4+ clubs.- 2. Partner could have 5 hearts and 4+ diamonds.- 3. If he rebids hearts, I am happy too. Roland Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikeh Posted February 17, 2009 Report Share Posted February 17, 2009 Why no vulnerability info? Why no double as an option... does everyone play it as penalty (I don't). If partner passes my double, then I rate to be happy what with my two aces, and stiff in partner's suit. if he bids 4♥, again I rate to be happy if he bids 3N, I will be delighted.. 6 hearts, a spade and 2 aces make for none easy tricks, and he will hold more than that If he bids 4minor... well, I am not going to be really happy with that, but I can always prefer back to 4♥ and he will at least have a chance of going right if we belong in 5 minor. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Walddk Posted February 17, 2009 Report Share Posted February 17, 2009 Why no double as an option... does everyone play it as penalty (I don't). You need to change the laws first, Mike :) Roland Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Echognome Posted February 17, 2009 Report Share Posted February 17, 2009 I think Mike and I need to brush up on our post reading. Given it's 2pm in the afternoon here, I can't even blame lack of coffee. :) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikeh Posted February 17, 2009 Report Share Posted February 17, 2009 nor I, but the back pain meds might help :) I guess I saw someone's 3♠ bid and that morphed into thinking that rho had raised. Oh well.. the good news is that BBO software would have protected me from revealing my idiocy if I were playing online Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Apollo81 Posted February 17, 2009 Report Share Posted February 17, 2009 I'd bid 4♣, hoepfully partner can tell I don't have a bunch of clubs that I didn't preempt. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TimG Posted February 17, 2009 Report Share Posted February 17, 2009 I'd bid 4♣, hoepfully partner can tell I don't have a bunch of clubs that I didn't preempt. So, it's a fit non-jump? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
maggieb Posted February 17, 2009 Report Share Posted February 17, 2009 I would bid 3S and it seems a wtp. If JLOL were dead he would turn around in his grave reading the responses in this thread. :) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rogerclee Posted February 17, 2009 Report Share Posted February 17, 2009 Agree with Maggie. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gnasher Posted February 17, 2009 Report Share Posted February 17, 2009 We don't know which game we belong in. We have a bid available that says "I don't know which game we belong in". It does seem rather obvious. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
neilkaz Posted February 18, 2009 Report Share Posted February 18, 2009 We don't know which game we belong in. We have a bid available that says "I don't know which game we belong in". It does seem rather obvious. I am also a 3♠ bidder and wonder if some of the other answers possibly are from those who've missread the auction. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
matmat Posted February 18, 2009 Report Share Posted February 18, 2009 I think Mike and I need to brush up on our post reading. Given it's 2pm in the afternoon here, I can't even blame lack of coffee. :( post lunch food coma, gnome. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the hog Posted February 18, 2009 Report Share Posted February 18, 2009 4H for me. The Q of H is a nice card.Can't bid a minor - fit jump.Also I think 3S would be interpreted as a max pass with H support. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jdonn Posted February 18, 2009 Report Share Posted February 18, 2009 4H for me. The Q of H is a nice card.Can't bid a minor - fit jump.Also I think 3S would be interpreted as a max pass with H support. I get great joy out of the karma of someone being forced to raise on a singleton because a new suit would show a fit. :( Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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