matmat Posted February 17, 2009 Report Share Posted February 17, 2009 ♠2 ♥AQ7 ♦AKQ9 ♣AJ972 unfav, MP, third seat (P) - P - (2♥) - ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jdonn Posted February 17, 2009 Report Share Posted February 17, 2009 Normal 3NT bid. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rogerclee Posted February 17, 2009 Report Share Posted February 17, 2009 3N, some people play 3N here must have a trick source, but this hand is a good example of why that doesn't make any sense. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nickf Posted February 17, 2009 Report Share Posted February 17, 2009 3N, some people play 3N here must have a trick source, but this hand is a good example of why that doesn't make any sense.Well I dont agree it doesnt make any sense. ♠2 ♥AQ2 ♦AKQ2 ♣AJ432 is essentially the same hand but with a much lower potential source of tricks and I dont think 3NT is nearly as attractive now. nickfsydney Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rogerclee Posted February 17, 2009 Report Share Posted February 17, 2009 ♠2 ♥AQ2 ♦AKQ2 ♣AJ432I would still call this hand a normal 3NT bid. Anyway what I meant was that people often say they expect something like a semi-solid 6 card suit and some outside values. This is really nonsense, since you are leaving yourself with no attractive bid when you have an offshape hand with lots of values. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Codo Posted February 17, 2009 Report Share Posted February 17, 2009 I think "the people" mean that you COULD have a solid minor or a very different hand from what you expect from a normal NT overcall. I never heard someone claim that you must have such a hand for a 3 NT bid. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
helene_t Posted February 17, 2009 Report Share Posted February 17, 2009 I think "the people" mean that you COULD have a solid minor or very different hand from waht you ecpect froma normal NT overcall. I never heard someone claim that you must have such a hand for a 3 NT bid. Maybe "the people" are referring to 3NT overcalls over a 1-level opening. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fluffy Posted February 17, 2009 Report Share Posted February 17, 2009 I don't know if 3NT is good or bad, but there is no alternative, so no need to think any further. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
andy_h Posted February 17, 2009 Report Share Posted February 17, 2009 Routine 3NT yes indeed. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mtvesuvius Posted February 17, 2009 Report Share Posted February 17, 2009 Yep, 3NT. Over a 1 level opening, 3NT is gamblingish, however, over a pre-empt, 3NT tends to be stronger, with no really long suits. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
neilkaz Posted February 17, 2009 Report Share Posted February 17, 2009 Another vote for 3NT..If we get beat in ♠ that's life. If PD is broke, oh well. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kenrexford Posted February 17, 2009 Report Share Posted February 17, 2009 As a matter of semantics, this hand has quite a few trick sources. They just happen to be mostly in the form of honors. :) I agree that the CW I understand is that 3NT in this sequence is "flexible," meaning that it is a call that covers a lot of not-sure-what-to-do-strong-player-hand problems. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
matmat Posted February 17, 2009 Author Report Share Posted February 17, 2009 for the record, i screwed this one up, but no matter... let's go to the other side of the table. say you hear p bid 3n on that auction and now you're staring at: AQ7xxx x xxx Qxx pass or 4S? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jdonn Posted February 17, 2009 Report Share Posted February 17, 2009 for the record, i screwed this one up, but no matter... let's go to the other side of the table. say you hear p bid 3n on that auction and now you're staring at: AQ7xxx x xxx Qxx pass or 4S? Well you have biased us so too late. =P It should pass though, granting that 4♠ or 6♠ could be the best contract. We might just have solid diamonds, and even if we don't have a running suit then the fact we bid 3NT without doubling first sure increases the likelihood we are short in spades. If partner were going to a 6 card suit there it would have to be one in no need of support. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skjaeran Posted February 17, 2009 Report Share Posted February 17, 2009 for the record, i screwed this one up, but no matter... let's go to the other side of the table. say you hear p bid 3n on that auction and now you're staring at: AQ7xxx x xxx Qxx pass or 4S? Ehh, as a passed hand, I can't hold this hand.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
matmat Posted February 17, 2009 Author Report Share Posted February 17, 2009 for the record, i screwed this one up, but no matter... let's go to the other side of the table. say you hear p bid 3n on that auction and now you're staring at: AQ7xxx x xxx Qxx pass or 4S? Ehh, as a passed hand, I can't hold this hand.... red/white. second seat. we like to have spots :D Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mtvesuvius Posted February 17, 2009 Report Share Posted February 17, 2009 for the record, i screwed this one up, but no matter... let's go to the other side of the table. say you hear p bid 3n on that auction and now you're staring at: AQ7xxx x xxx Qxx pass or 4S? Ehh, as a passed hand, I can't hold this hand.... red/white. second seat. we like to have spots :D 1. Who is we?2. This is an easy pre-empt3. Pass. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fluffy Posted February 18, 2009 Report Share Posted February 18, 2009 If 4♠ is a good alternative is a guess, for a jump bid on 3NT I'd say no, if partner overcalled 3NT over a 3 level preempt I think I would bid 4♠. The reason is that I like to double then bid 3NT with 20 blaanced over a weak 2. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cascade Posted February 18, 2009 Report Share Posted February 18, 2009 If 4♠ is a good alternative is a guess, for a jump bid on 3NT I'd say no, if partner overcalled 3NT over a 3 level preempt I think I would bid 4♠. The reason is that I like to double then bid 3NT with 20 blaanced over a weak 2. For me double and bid shows more interest in the other major. When I bid 3NT it is very unlikely I have even three spades unless I have a very NT oriented hand. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Elianna Posted February 18, 2009 Report Share Posted February 18, 2009 We didn't have the 7 of spades. Then again, I held this hand (not playing with matmat) and preempted. How could I not when partner and I were playing multi for the first time? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rbforster Posted February 20, 2009 Report Share Posted February 20, 2009 What do the geniuses/experts think 3♥ (stopper ask) followed by 3N over the almost certain 3♠ bid would mean? Is this a reasonable or attractive alternative to blasting 3N? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the hog Posted February 20, 2009 Report Share Posted February 20, 2009 A source of tricks? It does have a source of tricks.I wish you had not shown partner's hand. However I think I would pass anyway holding this. Could be wrong, but who knows? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kenta89 Posted February 20, 2009 Report Share Posted February 20, 2009 first of all, a 3NT bid when p could be blank seemes not a very smart option.. it is better to double and see the reply you get.. even if it is just a show of spade lenght... cause if you p says something else then 2♠, you would not want to play 3NT.. and if he does, you bid 3 NT, and he´ll know to pass.. i would say that filosofi answears most of the questions, or did i miss someone?^^ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Codo Posted February 20, 2009 Report Share Posted February 20, 2009 first of all, a 3NT bid when p could be blank seemes not a very smart option.. it is better to double and see the reply you get.. even if it is just a show of spade lenght... cause if you p says something else then 2♠, you would not want to play 3NT.. and if he does, you bid 3 NT, and he´ll know to pass.. i would say that filosofi answears most of the questions, or did i miss someone?^^ yes... when you double, you show spade support, so most partners will take a later 3 NT as a COG and rebid their spades freely with a 5 card suit. This is not what we want to hear, so a direct 3 NT is the best bet. Yes sometimes, partner has zero HCPS, but on average he surely has more, so that game will make more often then not. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kenrexford Posted February 20, 2009 Report Share Posted February 20, 2009 I consider the Ace and Queen of a proposed 6-card trump suit to be "spots." I don't consider the 7 to be a critical card to improve the Ace or Queen. It is a nice card, and it might grow up, but I rarely have a standard of "three of the top five honors, or two of the top three plus the 7." Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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