mtvesuvius Posted February 16, 2009 Report Share Posted February 16, 2009 Playing Precision (So partner's 1♥ is limited to 15 HCP), All Vulnerable, partner deals at IMPs: 1♥ - (1♠) - 4♥* - (4♠)X - (P) - ? *Do you agree with this bid? Your hand: ♠ 5♥ KJ875♦ KT9753♣ 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Finch Posted February 16, 2009 Report Share Posted February 16, 2009 I know that answers saying "I wouldn't be here" are not always helpful, but this hand is a great demonstration of why a lot of people play 'fit bids' here. Over 1S you bid 4D to say thati) You have a raise to 4H (albeit a pre-emptive raise)ii) You have lots of diamonds on the side Having done that, you can pass partner's double content that partner has trump tricks. Edit: Actually, even having bid 4D last round I would feel uncomfortable passing a Precision-playing partner's double of 4S. But less so than I do on the given auction. With the auction as given, I would bid 5D. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
P_Marlowe Posted February 16, 2009 Report Share Posted February 16, 2009 Hi, 4D would have been better. Since I was not able to bid this, I am now bidding 5H.I have a 6-5 hand, i.e. a hand partner cant expect, soI run. With kind regardsMarlowe Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phil Posted February 16, 2009 Report Share Posted February 16, 2009 I pull. You don't get rich defending with a 6-5 and a 10 card fit. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jdonn Posted February 16, 2009 Report Share Posted February 16, 2009 I think partner's double says he wants you to pass on a hand with a big fit. The other hand type you could have is relatively strong and balanced in which case you would double yourself, so he wouldn't have to double just to tell you to pass with that hand. I agree 4♦ last round is a good bid. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
neilkaz Posted February 16, 2009 Report Share Posted February 16, 2009 For me and many, precision or not, 2♠ last turn shows limit raise+. I prefer a fit bid of 4♦ last turn unless you play splinter. However, you've allready told PD that you have a preemptive raise to 4♥ and as expected the opps accepted the "transfer to 4♠". PD heard your bid and decided to double for penalty so, inspite of being 6-5, I pass this if playing 2♠= limit+ and don't think it is that close. If playing a wide ranging 4♥ ..ie common in precision w/out the overcall, I'd pull and be ready to appologize if it doesn't work. Had PD passed, I'd bid 5 here. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rogerclee Posted February 16, 2009 Report Share Posted February 16, 2009 Pull with 5♥. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
maggieb Posted February 16, 2009 Report Share Posted February 16, 2009 I think partner's double says he wants you to pass on a hand with a big fit. Somehow my partner never gets dealt this hand, but she frequently has the semi-balanced 15-count where she wants to defend when I have a relatively balanced hand and play 5H when I have a freak like this. Oh, I just wanted to say how I love the 4D fit bid. I think the 4D fit bid when we have hearts must be my favorite fit bid of all time. :) :) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phil Posted February 16, 2009 Report Share Posted February 16, 2009 I agree 4♦ last round is a good bid. Sign of the apocalypse: Josh likes a fit bid. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikeh Posted February 16, 2009 Report Share Posted February 16, 2009 Is it clear that the fit bid is 4♦? To me, that is a splinter, with slam ambitions (and almost certainly a spade control), while the fit bid is 3♦. Am I in a minority of one? As for the decision: I am not passing. I am not bidding 5♦ either.. why tell the opps what is going on? It's not as if partner will benefit from my bid, and I don't see how 5♦ is going to be a better contract than 5♥. I just bid 5♥. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jdonn Posted February 16, 2009 Report Share Posted February 16, 2009 I agree 4♦ last round is a good bid. Sign of the apocalypse: Josh likes a fit bid.I have a reputation to not like fit bids? The amount of reputations I learn about that I didn't know I had seems to grow by the day! Is it clear that the fit bid is 4♦? To me, that is a splinter, with slam ambitions (and almost certainly a spade control), while the fit bid is 3♦. Am I in a minority of one?I often mention my preferred agreement that when the opponents overcall we can only splinter in their suit. Splinters in any other suit become far less useful compared to fit bids on hands like this one. Good point that if you pull there isn't much reason to bid 5♦. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rogerclee Posted February 16, 2009 Report Share Posted February 16, 2009 I often mention my preferred agreement that when the opponents overcall we can only splinter in their suit. Splinters in any other suit become far less useful compared to fit bids on hands like this one. Agree with this. It also has the benefit of allowing you to never confuse a fitted bid for a splinter, which I think most of us have done at least once before. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
andy_h Posted February 17, 2009 Report Share Posted February 17, 2009 I also pull this to 5H. I don't really want to defend holding a 6-5 with a 10 card fit. LIke others, I would have preferred 4D on the previous round. I do play both 3D and 4D as fit jumps, it just depends how strong/distributional your hand is. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
npreik Posted February 17, 2009 Report Share Posted February 17, 2009 Two comments: I have messed things up by not producing a fit jump and my just punishment is to be laft with an awkward decision. With my favourite partner i would pass, lead the club and get ready to apologize :ph34r:. I have voted for 5♥ and was surprised, that many others favoured 5♦. Why? To help partner finding 6♥ over 5♠? Otherwise 5♦ only helps opponents. Again, if pulling is wrong, it is my fault. No use trying to shift some guilt over. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jillybean Posted February 17, 2009 Report Share Posted February 17, 2009 Is it clear that the fit bid is 4♦? To me, that is a splinter, with slam ambitions (and almost certainly a spade control), while the fit bid is 3♦. Am I in a minority of one? As for the decision: I am not passing. I am not bidding 5♦ either.. why tell the opps what is going on? It's not as if partner will benefit from my bid, and I don't see how 5♦ is going to be a better contract than 5♥. I just bid 5♥. Minority of 2. I am confused about minor splinters and not clear on fit bids at all. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
npreik Posted February 17, 2009 Report Share Posted February 17, 2009 "Splinter bids" are rather common in uncontested auction and means something like: 1♥ - 4♣ 4♣ shows good heart fit, single or void in clubs and interest in slam. It's a useful convention, since the double jump is not useful as a natural bid. In the contested auction however, many players prefer "fit jumps": 1♥ - 1♠ - 4♣ or - 3♣ They show good heart fit and a useful side suit (pls not Jxxxx). They are exactly designed for this sort of situation, helping partner to find a double fit and thus giving him aid in deciding to pass, X or bid on if LHO bids 4♠. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Codo Posted February 17, 2009 Report Share Posted February 17, 2009 To me 4 ♦ had been a splinter too and fit bids are off without discussion. And I am not too sure anyway, whether a fit bid with this hand is right. I would like to limit this bid for constructive raises, so that partner can bid the right slams. For me it is no tool to decide whether or not you should defend 5 Heart or not. (Now this is a minority view, I know, but I still likes it). So, having showed a weak hand with long hearts, I simply accept partners descission. If he is on Maggies wavelength, we have something to discuss later. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the hog Posted February 17, 2009 Report Share Posted February 17, 2009 Agree with Roland. This hand is not within cooee of a fit bid. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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