pirate22 Posted February 16, 2009 Report Share Posted February 16, 2009 [hv=d=n&v=n&s=sqj43 hdaq863 ck943]133|100|Scoring: IMP [/hv] apols spades- VOID- hts- diamds- club Partner opens V 1n/t-15-17 nothing funny such as, it may contain a x---EAST NOW BIDS 2 HTSNo need to click the bid-we had been playing against opps for some time and we both know,its natural---if i x its for penalties or a transfer???-if i bid 2 spades -i have at least 5,unknown point count-if i bid 3diamonds--??what does that convey to pard,i was really stuck and partnership had not agreed that x was a transfer in this situation although if no opp bidding 2hts by me would be a transer any solutions as to what to bid regards pirate Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
matmat Posted February 16, 2009 Report Share Posted February 16, 2009 I think most players around here play X as negative here, which does describe this hand. Some may choose a different call (3♦) if they don't like doubling on a void. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
655321 Posted February 16, 2009 Report Share Posted February 16, 2009 Agree with jdonn Even if you have agreed double is takeout, I strongly dislike it with a void. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pirate22 Posted February 16, 2009 Author Report Share Posted February 16, 2009 just thought of something switch my spades to hts --what does one bid now x???:)) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rogerclee Posted February 16, 2009 Report Share Posted February 16, 2009 I think most players around here play X as negative here, which does describe this hand. LOL Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the hog Posted February 16, 2009 Report Share Posted February 16, 2009 Why LOL? We know he means t/out but there is no need to be snide about it. Double with this hand and its void is not my choice, but it is not unreasonable.I would bid 3D. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phil Posted February 16, 2009 Report Share Posted February 16, 2009 Negative doubles for me are limited to invitational values or less, so 3♥. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
helene_t Posted February 16, 2009 Report Share Posted February 16, 2009 X = either take-out, optional or penalties, depending on agreement. If you do not play lebensohl you should (IMHO) play it as take-out since too many hands otherwise become unbiddable. Some club players play X as transfer but almost no tournament players do so. 2♠ = weak with at least five spades. Opener will almost always pass. 2NT = natural invite, or the lebensohl convention. 3♦ = forcing, 5+ diamonds (unless you have specifically agreed to play Rubensohl) 3♥ = Stayman. If you play lebensohl you will have agreed whether you have a heart stopper or not when you bid this. So with this hand, you either bid 3♦ or 3♥. I think 3♦ is better since if you bid 3♥, you won't know what to do when opener bids 3NT. X is a bad idea (IMHO) even if agreed as take-out since opener will pass if he has four hearts and you don't want that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hatchett Posted February 16, 2009 Report Share Posted February 16, 2009 I play X as a more balanced hand, and 3♥ as a three suiter 0/1 ♥s so that would be perfect here. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
matmat Posted February 16, 2009 Report Share Posted February 16, 2009 Why LOL? We know he means t/out but there is no need to be snide about it. Double with this hand and its void is not my choice, but it is not unreasonable.I would bid 3D. LOL b/c he's right and I know better. this is what happens when you forget how to play. :/ 3♥, upon further review. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
P_Marlowe Posted February 16, 2009 Report Share Posted February 16, 2009 Hi, A could suggestion is to play X as t/o, I dont limitthe strength to inv, but ... If you dont want to make a t/o given the void, than youcan bid 3D, which is natural and gameforcing or 3Hwhich would be Stayman, denying a stopper in hearts, search for Lebensohl. Without any agreements, your best bet is 3D, it wont get passed often, and it wont be interpreted as transfer. With kind regardsMarlowe Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pirate22 Posted February 17, 2009 Author Report Share Posted February 17, 2009 to give you all the answer i bid 3n/t-disaster the 2ht bidder had 6 hts AKQJ10x his pard had 4 and pard xxx partners hand was 3-3-3-4- with full 16 points,as follows AKx xxx KJx AJ10x-- spades do not break 5 diamonds on just, and 2 way finnesse in clubs Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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