Gerben42 Posted April 9, 2009 Report Share Posted April 9, 2009 Are you talking about a ZX80, ZX81, a ZX Spectrum or a ZX Spectrum+ from (Sir Clive) Sinclair? I imagine that if you would put those on e-bay, a collector would be willing to pay for something like that. And no, I am no collector, but my first computer was a ZX Spectrum. I was about 15 then. This makes me feel like a very old geek. It's a Philips MSX 1, which btw. is still working :) http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/3/31/MSX_Philips_VG8020.jpg Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
y66 Posted April 9, 2009 Report Share Posted April 9, 2009 Awesome. Looks like a real keyboard. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trinidad Posted April 9, 2009 Report Share Posted April 9, 2009 Are you talking about a ZX80, ZX81, a ZX Spectrum or a ZX Spectrum+ from (Sir Clive) Sinclair? I imagine that if you would put those on e-bay, a collector would be willing to pay for something like that. And no, I am no collector, but my first computer was a ZX Spectrum. I was about 15 then. This makes me feel like a very old geek. It's a Philips MSX 1, which btw. is still working :) Very nice! 80 K RAM and 32 K ROM, I noticed. My ZX Spectrum had 16 K ROM and 16 K RAM, but I was in love with it. I will never forget the sound of saving or loading your programs to cassette tape. It was somewhat like a phone line modem, but with the added sound of the wheels of the cassette player moving. If my kids would see one, they would probably not recognize it as a computer. No mouse, no DVD drive, no speakers, no flat screen monitor.- "How do you get on the internet with it?" :) Rik Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aberlour10 Posted April 9, 2009 Report Share Posted April 9, 2009 /off-topic/I remember, my first machine had a 20MB hard disk, enormous piece of space, I did not use a half of it! :) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jdonn Posted April 9, 2009 Report Share Posted April 9, 2009 When the team performs badly, you fire the coach...When the league performs badly, I don't fire every coach. If you had a mole in your intelligence network, would you not ferret him out?I wouldn't assume everyone in my network was a mole. If you had a pedophile in your school system would you not remove them?Yes but not everyone else. You cannot leave the rotten apples in the barrel and expect to keep your apples fresh.Your solution seems to be assume every apple is going to rot the rest of them. You show that you are missing the point. Over, and over, and over, and over.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Al_U_Card Posted April 9, 2009 Report Share Posted April 9, 2009 When the team performs badly, you fire the coach...When the league performs badly, I don't fire every coach. If you had a mole in your intelligence network, would you not ferret him out?I wouldn't assume everyone in my network was a mole. If you had a pedophile in your school system would you not remove them?Yes but not everyone else. You cannot leave the rotten apples in the barrel and expect to keep your apples fresh.Your solution seems to be assume every apple is going to rot the rest of them. You show that you are missing the point. Over, and over, and over, and over.... 1 Just the ones that were stealing from the fans. 2 But you would still look for and take care of the real one(s). 3 Hunh? All of them because any that are left will continue to offend. 4 Just the rotten apples cause the problem for the rest. Remove them and the good apples remain okay. The point is that certain individuals colluded and connived to empty our pockets. They must be found and stopped or they will continue to do so. THAT is the only point of merit. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jdonn Posted April 9, 2009 Report Share Posted April 9, 2009 When the team performs badly, you fire the coach...When the league performs badly, I don't fire every coach. If you had a mole in your intelligence network, would you not ferret him out?I wouldn't assume everyone in my network was a mole. If you had a pedophile in your school system would you not remove them?Yes but not everyone else. You cannot leave the rotten apples in the barrel and expect to keep your apples fresh.Your solution seems to be assume every apple is going to rot the rest of them. You show that you are missing the point. Over, and over, and over, and over.... 1 Just the ones that were stealing from the fans. 2 But you would still look for and take care of the real one(s). 3 Hunh? All of them because any that are left will continue to offend. 4 Just the rotten apples cause the problem for the rest. Remove them and the good apples remain okay. The point is that certain individuals colluded and connived to empty our pockets. They must be found and stopped or they will continue to do so. THAT is the only point of merit. I don't know if we are going in circles or not but that leads to my two points. The firs is agreeing with you that the guilty parties can be found, whereas it seems like many people just assume everyone who was involved in the system at all must be guilty (at least agreeing with your last post, which I think doesn't agree with your prior post?) The second is to say you punish and/or replace them if it's in your best interests to do so, but not as a punitive or vindictive measure. If you say they stole from us and thus they must pay, that's when you are missing the point. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Al_U_Card Posted April 9, 2009 Report Share Posted April 9, 2009 Only punish the guilty. The CEO's that let it happen on their watch must resign. The CFO's and other fiduciary officers that orchestrated the frauds must be prosecuted. If we can spend billions on following "terrorists" around and incarcerating them, why not be able to make an effort to determine the "cause" for the economic terror that has been leveled against us? Only do what is fair and according to the law. What must be avoided is to turn a blind eye out of fear based on what the guilty are telling us. We must not be so naive nor so gullible. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
onoway Posted April 9, 2009 Report Share Posted April 9, 2009 ah but terrorists are obviously 'different". Most of these guys are just being blamed for what many people would themselves do if they 1) were in a position to do so 2) were smart enough to figure out how and 3) figured they could get away with it. I suspect for many people there is mixed in with the anger and dismay a kernel of admiration and perhaps respect for the degree of success these guys have had on a personal level. Sorta like the phenomenon of kidnap victims getting attached to their kidnappers...remember Patty Hearst?It isn't the same as blowing yourself up..hard for most people to relate to that. Or am I just cynical? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Al_U_Card Posted April 9, 2009 Report Share Posted April 9, 2009 Sadly, I suppose it is possible and it would be an indication of the degree of indoctrination and trepidation that those people would exhibit. Either way, some 3,000 people losts their lives in 9-11. A tragedy and a crime. (btw, Where in the world is Osama bin Laden?) If stealing your life savings and then insisting that you repay the bank that "lost" your money isn't criminal then it too is certainly a tragedy as far as the number of lost livelihoods goes. On a par with 9-11? Not even close. Worthy of consideration and action? Hopefully more effective than the war on terror....but somehow I doubt it will even be that good. :ph34r: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Al_U_Card Posted April 9, 2009 Report Share Posted April 9, 2009 Wells-Fargo posts record profit? Doh! http://cxa.marketwatch.com/TSX/en/Market/a...DB1BD16B20A9%7d Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoAnneM Posted April 9, 2009 Report Share Posted April 9, 2009 A nice sub-thread going. Our first home computer was purchased in 1978. An 8K Commodore Pet. Very exciting. I found the pamphlet that came with it just the other day - very small. For the several months we had to either buy programs directly from the programmers or type them in ourselves from books. Then software stores started appearing. My husband was stationed at NSA at the time and shortly after we got it we had a promotion party at our house and most of those computer guys spent the evening playing with our Commodore Pet! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lobowolf Posted April 9, 2009 Report Share Posted April 9, 2009 lol I had the TRS-80 from Radio Shack, complete with cassette memory and an artificial intelligence program (Eliza, anyone?) that knew about 6 sentence constructions. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fred Posted April 9, 2009 Report Share Posted April 9, 2009 Our first home computer was purchased in 1978. An 8K Commodore Pet. Me too - I was 13 at the time and, as far as I could tell, I was the first kid on my block to own a computer :ph34r: I taught myself (Microsoft) BASIC on my PET and spent most of my non-school waking hours programming (mostly primitive video games) until I got involved in bridge a few years later. I could never stand the thought of throwing that computer in the garbage so I still have it. Maybe it will have some antique value one day... Fred GitelmanBridge Base Inc.www.bridgebase.com Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
barmar Posted April 11, 2009 Report Share Posted April 11, 2009 When the team performs badly, you fire the coach... Only if you can replace him with someone better. This was not a competition, where some companies won and others lost, so we should fire the CEOs of the losers. They practically ALL lost. If you fire them all, who is left to fix things? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Al_U_Card Posted April 11, 2009 Report Share Posted April 11, 2009 Good grief! Have they been that successfull in their brainwashing? You can't seriously believe that the 20 or so miscreants are irreplaceable? Even if it was 200, or 2000, it is just a job and one that was filled by a crook. Someone else declared themselves "Not a crook" but was removed from a lofty office with only good result. Do not believe the press clippings of the business press.... they are as controlled as was the Whitehouse press (which may still be...) The fifth estate needs to step up and help the american people realize just what is going on. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Al_U_Card Posted April 14, 2009 Report Share Posted April 14, 2009 Doh! Here we go again....this time its Goldman-Sachs: http://cxa.marketwatch.com/TSX/en/Market/a...FF0CF6FB1731%7d I wonder how much they received in bail-out (directly or indirectly....) Guess they are hoping for another downturn really soon.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mike777 Posted April 14, 2009 Report Share Posted April 14, 2009 Doh! Here we go again....this time its Goldman-Sachs: http://cxa.marketwatch.com/TSX/en/Market/a...FF0CF6FB1731%7d I wonder how much they received in bail-out (directly or indirectly....) Guess they are hoping for another downturn really soon.... Directly they received 10 billion which by the way they are trying to repay as fast as possible so they can start paying out huge bonuses again. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Al_U_Card Posted April 14, 2009 Report Share Posted April 14, 2009 As fast as possible (not including the dividends declared) based on trying to get out from under the "cry poor but be rich" banner? Geithner was at G-S before he was NY FR head..... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Al_U_Card Posted April 16, 2009 Report Share Posted April 16, 2009 What a surprise! http://money.cnn.com/2009/04/16/news/compa...dex.htm?cnn=yes I guess that while J.P. is no longer around, someone is still able to count the stacks of cash. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aberlour10 Posted May 6, 2009 Report Share Posted May 6, 2009 Its seems, the "Cash for Clunkers" will be introduced in the USA too. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kenberg Posted May 6, 2009 Report Share Posted May 6, 2009 Its seems, the "Cash for Clunkers" will be introduced in the USA too. I got something from Social Security saying they will be sending me a stimulus check for $250. Perhaps this is the US version of the cash for clunkers plan? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PassedOut Posted May 6, 2009 Report Share Posted May 6, 2009 Its seems, the "Cash for Clunkers" will be introduced in the USA too. I got something from Social Security saying they will be sending me a stimulus check for $250. Perhaps this is the US version of the cash for clunkers plan? People here say that the $250 is supposed to be spent on Viagra. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kenberg Posted May 6, 2009 Report Share Posted May 6, 2009 Its seems, the "Cash for Clunkers" will be introduced in the USA too. I got something from Social Security saying they will be sending me a stimulus check for $250. Perhaps this is the US version of the cash for clunkers plan? People here say that the $250 is supposed to spent on Viagra. Now that's a stimulus package! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aberlour10 Posted June 10, 2009 Report Share Posted June 10, 2009 so....3500$ or 4500$/new car . Can this save Detroit for longer as few months? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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