4612 Evaluate this

[jillybean]

Dealer: East Vul: None Scoring: IMP ♠ A863 ♥ KT8542 ♦ Q ♣ 95

 

West North East South

 

 -     -     Pass  Pass

 Pass  1♦    Pass  1♥

 Pass  2♣    Pass  ?  

 

 

I’d like to open this but don’t have the gizmo’s to bid it so I make a routine pass.

Partner opens 1♦:1♥ 2♣:?

 

Looking for a ♥ fit, is 2♥ enough?

 

I assume 2♠ 4sf can’t be made by a passed hand, partner has denied ♠ so what would 2♠ here show? 5+♥4♠ and an invitational hand, too good for 2♥, forcing 1 round? Or am I dreaming :P

 

tyia

[jdonn]

2♥ is enough. If partner takes a third bid over that he would be showing a maximum and you would have enough to go to game.

[Winstonm]

2♥ is enough. If partner takes a third bid over that he would be showing a maximum and you would have enough to go to game.

A -(gree)

[neilkaz]

I am also in the 2♥ camp. This hand could be very missfit as well.

[jillybean]

2♥ is was...making 6 :)

[kenrexford]

If 1♦-P-2♥ is a weak jump shift, then 1♦-P-1♥-P-2♣-P-2♥ shows a hand that is better than a weak jump shift. If the WJS shows maybe 4-7, then 2♥ here would show about 8-10, which is what you have. This is a particularly good example of why WJS's work. Not for preemption, but for description.

 

Personally, I use IJS's, where the immediate JS shows this hand, and 1♥...2♥ shows about 4-7. The principle is the same, though.

[jdonn]

2♥ is was...making 6 :)

Aw come on, don't we get to see partner's hand so we can tell you it was either partner's fault or the defense could have held you to 3? :)

[jillybean]

2♥ is was...making 6  :)

Aw come on, don't we get to see partner's hand so we can tell you it was either partner's fault or the defense could have held you to 3? :)

It was an indy so the bidding is largely irrelevant, my p should have raised ♥’s and we would have been in game. The play? I played like Zia of course.

[Phil]

If 1♦-P-2♥ is a weak jump shift, then 1♦-P-1♥-P-2♣-P-2♥ shows a hand that is better than a weak jump shift. If the WJS shows maybe 4-7, then 2♥ here would show about 8-10, which is what you have. This is a particularly good example of why WJS's work. Not for preemption, but for description.

 

Personally, I use IJS's, where the immediate JS shows this hand, and 1♥...2♥ shows about 4-7. The principle is the same, though.

Agree. 2♥ over 2♣ is never 'broke' playing WJS.

[barmar]

To answer the 2nd question, you can still have 4SF by a passed hand. It's basically the same, except only invitational rather than game forcing (assuming you play it GF by unpassed hand).

[jtfanclub]

I don't like the answers here, though they're in agreement so I assume it's the Standard answer.

 

I wouldn't WJS with 4-6 in the majors, even if this hand was weak enough to WJS. I was unaware that was non-standard. Aren't those of you who would worried about being in a 6-1 heart fit when there was a 4-4 spade fit available? If you're not going to worry about a spade fit, why not just open this hand with a weak 2?

 

Rest deleted- I've been talked out of it.

[kenrexford]

I don't like the answers here, though they're in agreement so I assume it's the Standard answer.

 

I wouldn't WJS with 4-6 in the majors, even if this hand was weak enough to WJS.  I was unaware that was non-standard.  Aren't those of you who would worried about being in a 6-1 heart fit when there was a 4-4 spade fit available?  If you're not going to worry about a spade fit, why not just open this hand with a weak 2?

 

Rest deleted- I've been talked out of it.

Well, that's a fair concern. But then at least Opener knows that your 2♥ rebid either shows 8-10 HCP or six hearts and four spades, and hence playing strength, I suppose.

 

All that said, a one-bid 6-4 should probably be handled as a one-suiter, for practical reasons and for this problem.