mike777 Posted February 10, 2009 Report Share Posted February 10, 2009 I don't understand rebidding 3♦ after FSF on AKxxxx. The diamonds aren't good enough, IMO, for that. The diamonds are good enough. It's the 1♠ bid I don't understand, opener seems definitely good enough for 2♠. A 6-4 18 count with all aces and kings, and a T9 thrown in? Wtp? I agree that not only is 1s rebid an issue but if you play xyz....then 2c cannot be bid.....you are stuck bidding 2d as an artificial checkback game force or 3d as natural and game force...... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Codo Posted February 10, 2009 Report Share Posted February 10, 2009 I would not like to jump shift, but when you have to, isn't it even easier to find the slam? 1♦ 1 ♥ 2 ♠ 3 ♦ 3♥ 3♠ (cues)4♦ 4 ♠ (aceasking/ good hand, 1 KC)5♣ 5♥ (k of Heart/ Queen of diamond)5♠ 7♦ (Something else? Really good diamonds, 2 doubletons) (After 2 Cuebids, the last suit would ask for a control, so here 4 Diamond shows Club control.) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skjaeran Posted February 10, 2009 Report Share Posted February 10, 2009 The obvious start in a natural system is:1♦ - 1♥2♠ - 3♦ (GF, support)3♥ - 3♠ (cuebids) If you play minorwood or kickback, you'll be able to find out about the ♥K and 3rd round spade control and reach the grand. If you use 4NT as ace-asking, you won't be able to dislodge the 3rd round spade control (without risking getting too high), and can't bid the grand with control. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kenrexford Posted February 10, 2009 Report Share Posted February 10, 2009 North: Opens 1♦South: GF 2♣ artificial responseNorth: 2♥ (four spades)South: 3♦ (sets trumps) At this point, North can predict a probable inability to gain anything from cues. So, he just bids 4♥ 1430 RKCB. South shows one (4♠). 5♣ asks for the Queen (4NT would be a signoff), and South shows it plus the heart King (5♥). North now knows that he has no club loser and might have no problem in spades. So, he asks for the impossible spade King (5♠). South lacks this and lacks the club King, and he hates his hand, so he bids 6♦. North lacks sufficient info to pursue the grand without bypassing 6♦. However, he does have ability to get out at 6NT. So, he makes one last stab, 5♠. This is strange, as it essentially lets Responder know that the spade ask earlier was fake and that he is instead looking for tertiary spade values. With a doubleton, Responder might get this right. So, maybe. I like this approach. However I am not convinced South should hate the hand. South has two doubletons either of which could be useful. Over 5♠ I might bid 5NT saying I don't have the spade king but I do have extras (not the ♣K either). Opener will likely be able to infer the third round spade control. In fact we would use 5♠ here as a more generic - "Have you got anything else?". In context given opener has shown four spades with the ♠K south would be worth a jump to 7♦. I thought about that myself, but I decided to low-ball to avoid the risk of double-dummy bdding. 5NT might be viewed as Qx, for example. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lilboyman Posted February 10, 2009 Report Share Posted February 10, 2009 1 C 16+ artificial 2 D 5 or more Diamonds2 H Tell me more 3 H 4 Hearts3 S Tell me more 3 N No singleton or void4 D Sets Trump 4 H 1st or 2nd round control4 S 1st or 2n rnd ctl 5 S 2nd round control7 D Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rogerclee Posted February 10, 2009 Report Share Posted February 10, 2009 1♣ (16+) - 2♣ (GF, 5+ ♦)2♦ (Trump ask) - 2♠ (5, 1 of AKQ)3♣ (Club ask) - 3♥ (3rd round)3♠ (Spade ask) - 4♥ (1st Round)5♥ (Heart ask) - 6♣ (2nd Round)7♦ LOLSPREE Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mike777 Posted February 10, 2009 Report Share Posted February 10, 2009 It does appear some think this hand is not worth a game force jump shift after 1h by responder. In any case I still think some of these auctions have an issue on how to "know" north does not have 3clubs or south has 3 spades. At least in my two examples I do have such an issue after 2s jump shift but not after one spade rebid by opener and 2c 4sf. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kfay Posted February 10, 2009 Report Share Posted February 10, 2009 I don't understand rebidding 3♦ after FSF on AKxxxx. The diamonds aren't good enough, IMO, for that. The diamonds are good enough. It's the 1♠ bid I don't understand, opener seems definitely good enough for 2♠. A 6-4 18 count with all aces and kings, and a T9 thrown in? Wtp? Yeah you're right, Donn. When I was first looking I was like 'meh this is right on the boarder.' What can I say, I've been sick for a couple days. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shevek Posted February 11, 2009 Report Share Posted February 11, 2009 Dealer: ????? Vul: ???? Scoring: Unknown ♠ KT94 ♥ A ♦ AK7652 ♣ A5 ♠ A8 ♥ K874 ♦ QJ984 ♣ Q3 North is dealer. We found (well, I made a slight adjustment to the hands, but on the actual one we found) 6NT played by South, made the 12th trick on a friendly spade lead, and a 13th on a simple squeeze. Partner was not happy that we did not find the much safer and higher scoring 7♦. Would you?OKay I'll have a practice. !♣ 16+ then all opener's bids are relays. 1♣ - 1♠ 4+♥s, 8+ pts1N - 2♣ & diamonds2♦ - 2♥ longer ♦s2♠ - 3♣ 2-4-5-23♥ - 3N 3 kontrols7♦ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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