vuroth Posted February 8, 2009 Report Share Posted February 8, 2009 [hv=s=skq8hj97642dk3c75]133|100|P 1♦ ?[/hv] 2♥ or pass? This hand was against an expert. As the level of ability of my opponents improves, should my preempts become more sound? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
helene_t Posted February 8, 2009 Report Share Posted February 8, 2009 I would bid 2♥ nonvul and 1♥ vul regardless of opps. To answer you second question: no. A preempt opposite a passed hand should not be sound. Maybe it should be most disciplined against weak opps (against whom you expect to win anyway so why randomize), least disciplined against intermediate opps (who will bid adequately without interference but often do the wrong thing if you preempt) and somewhere in between against good opps. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mtvesuvius Posted February 9, 2009 Report Share Posted February 9, 2009 This hand was against an expert. A BBO expert or a real life expert? I would bid 2♥ NV and 1♥ V. Also, as my opponent's skill increases, the greater the chances that they are playing sophisticated methods that a pre-empt can screw up, besides... even the best can guess wrong from pre-empts. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mike777 Posted February 9, 2009 Report Share Posted February 9, 2009 [hv=s=skq8hj97642dk3c75]133|100|P 1♦ ?[/hv] 2♥ or pass? This hand was against an expert. As the level of ability of my opponents improves, should my preempts become more sound? I just play old fashion 234 rule.......nothing fancy1) If I preempt my true expert partner can learn to trust my bids.2) If I overcall vul, my true expert partner can learn to trust my overcalls.3) If I make at bid at fav vul....my true expert partner can trust my bid. If nothing else my "expert" partner will trust my bids. In other words I do not think your true expert partner expects you to be able to make the perfect bid in order to "steal" the deal. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Codo Posted February 9, 2009 Report Share Posted February 9, 2009 I would always bid 1 Heart against anybody. Second choice would be pass. I belive that bidding weak twos with all hands in the right point range and shape is wrong. I like to have the values in my suit. . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
david_c Posted February 9, 2009 Report Share Posted February 9, 2009 I would bid 2♥ nonvul and 1♥ vul regardless of opps. That sounds right to me too. I'd bid 1♥ regardless of the vulnerability if partner was not a passed hand. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brianshark Posted February 9, 2009 Report Share Posted February 9, 2009 Just because you have a 6th card in your suit doesn't automatically make a minimum 1-level overcall a 2-level weak jump. I would consider bidding 2♥ nv opposite a passed partner, but in any other situation, normal 1♥. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
keylime Posted February 9, 2009 Report Share Posted February 9, 2009 I'd stay low here, either 1♥ or pass. Then again I'm a fan of classical preempts. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jdonn Posted February 9, 2009 Report Share Posted February 9, 2009 I'll bid 1♥ at any vul. Even favorable this hand is not preemptive at all. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
neilkaz Posted February 9, 2009 Report Share Posted February 9, 2009 Just 1♥ for me. This hand isn't a preempt with a very weak 6 card suit and 8 (EIGHT !!) useful looking defensive HCP outside the suit. Bidding 2♥ over 1♦ doesn't take away a whole lot of room as the opps have two ways to bid ♠ at the two level and also have room to ask for a stop for 3NT if that is where they belong. Good opps can catch you here if you bid 2♥ and there's a stack sitting over you and even when they are red and you are white, they may properly judge whether to defend 2♥x or play their game. If you for down 3 for -500 and they have a vul game, you've gained somewhat, but if you go for -500 when their game is not so sure, well..losing 500 on a hand where they often stop in a part score is costly. Bad opps will have more problems with any preempt, but you don't need to bring a bazooka to a fight with pea-shooters. Heaven forbid that you go for 800 here vs bad opps, who may have missed game if you'd just overcalled 1♥ or even passed. 1♥ in my opinion is all here. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skjaeran Posted February 10, 2009 Report Share Posted February 10, 2009 1♥ always. Might still be our hand, no reason to preempt. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kenrexford Posted February 10, 2009 Report Share Posted February 10, 2009 I'd preempt. I know that this is dangerous, but for me it has an added advantage. Partner can rely on my 1♥ overcalls to be stronger, meaning opening strength (albeit by my lesser standards). Technically, the "preempt" word is causing some difficulties. I would make a descriptive call of 2♥. LOL Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
barmar Posted February 10, 2009 Report Share Posted February 10, 2009 What has our novice learned today? That bidding, especially overcalls and preempting, is a matter of style. It might have been nice to have made this a poll rather than just a simple question. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rogerclee Posted February 10, 2009 Report Share Posted February 10, 2009 What has our novice learned today? That bidding, especially overcalls and preempting, is a matter of style. It might have been nice to have made this a poll rather than just a simple question. LOL Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Benoit35 Posted February 10, 2009 Report Share Posted February 10, 2009 1♥. For me, 2♥ means that a bigger chunk than 11% of my hcp's are in hearts. Also, telling partner about my 6th heart is very low priority. We don't want him getting excited with ♥T8 or something. So basically, I tend to treat a bad 6-card suit like I would a 5-card suit, and bid accordingly. Then there's the spades. Even 4-3 might be better than 6-2 hearts so I definitely want partner to let me know if he has something there. 1♥ gives him space to do that, 2♥ doesn't. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
P_Marlowe Posted February 10, 2009 Report Share Posted February 10, 2009 1H. I would not vary my bidding according to the level of my oppoenents.... At least as long as I am trying to understand / am in the learningprocess to see of what really works. It is true, that you also have to play the opponents, but dont startto early, maybe there is also a point in time, when it is to late. With kind regardsMarlowe Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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