Phil Posted February 6, 2009 Report Share Posted February 6, 2009 [hv=d=s&n=stht5dkqjt64c8732&s=sq52hak643d972ca6]133|200|Scoring: MP[/hv] Playing in a club game you somehow buy it for 3♦. LHO leads a low club to RHO's Jack. Plan the play. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jdonn Posted February 6, 2009 Report Share Posted February 6, 2009 Edit: Never mind I'm not answering lol. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Echognome Posted February 6, 2009 Report Share Posted February 6, 2009 I would win the A, cash the AK of hearts and exit a club. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phil Posted February 9, 2009 Author Report Share Posted February 9, 2009 Whats wrong with ducking the club? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Old York Posted February 9, 2009 Report Share Posted February 9, 2009 I dont see any problem with this hand. You are in a good contract so any plus score or even -100 should be ok. You should not need to worry about overtricks. You have 3 losers, maybe 4 losers, so should play naturally. Win Club Ace and exit with a club, intending to ruff Clubs in Dummy, oppo will probably try to draw trumps, but you still survive because they can probably make a Spade partscore. (or am I missing something?) If you duck the lead, then they draw dummy's trumps (they might be 3-1) Tony Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Echognome Posted February 9, 2009 Report Share Posted February 9, 2009 Whats wrong with ducking the club? It's hard for me to think of a layout where it makes a difference. I just want to collect my 3 tricks and set up club ruffs. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phil Posted February 9, 2009 Author Report Share Posted February 9, 2009 Whats wrong with ducking the club? It's hard for me to think of a layout where it makes a difference. I just want to collect my 3 tricks and set up club ruffs. You noticed its MPs didn't you? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skjaeran Posted February 10, 2009 Report Share Posted February 10, 2009 Whats wrong with ducking the club? It's hard for me to think of a layout where it makes a difference. I just want to collect my 3 tricks and set up club ruffs. You noticed its MPs didn't you? Your point? +110 will be an excellent score at MP. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phil Posted February 11, 2009 Author Report Share Posted February 11, 2009 I can't believe I'm the only one that can see this, which makes me think that maybe I'm missing something. If we duck the club, the defense can either play ♦A, ♦, however, we retain maximum entries to our hand to try to do something with the hearts. If the defense plays a non trump, we now have some timing to try to ruff two clubs in hand. I do realize that the ♦8 may come into play in some layouts, but if it doesn't we are a lock for +130. Furthermore, it doesn't seem to diminish our chances of nine tricks. Isn't that better than lazily taking +110? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JLOL Posted February 11, 2009 Report Share Posted February 11, 2009 Don't worry Phil you're not the crazy one this time! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Echognome Posted February 11, 2009 Report Share Posted February 11, 2009 I can understand the point that by ducking you will be more likely to induce a defensive error, which would be a lot more worthwhile at MPs than it would be at IMPs. I can say that I didn't give it more than a cursory thought when I answered the question. I guess I'm just used to playing IMPs. Maybe your point would be even clearer if the form of scoring was BAM. Of course the same applies to MPs in this case. Obviously at IMPs, we would rather have the 1 IMP than not, but it's certainly not something we would lose any sleep over. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Old York Posted February 13, 2009 Report Share Posted February 13, 2009 It makes no difference whether it is Imp or MP, overtricks simply do not matter in this situation Playing matchpoints, your sole objective is to make as many tricks as possible but only if you can see that you are in the same contract as the rest of the field. If you are in an unusual contract then you should always play safe. It would be easy to construct a hand where your oppo are making 3♠ and this is likely to be the par contract. Making 3♦ already beats par, so overtricks are meaningless. You cannot score more than 100% on this hand. If the red suits misbehave and oppo defend unerringly, you could end up with 8 tricks, so why risk an excellent score for an overtrick? Why was this posted in Beginner and Intermediate Discussion, if your intent was to provoke an advanced discussion about pointless overtricks? Tony ps. I am almost certain that the original post showed Imp scoring - maybe I was wrong but it makes no difference Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vuroth Posted February 13, 2009 Report Share Posted February 13, 2009 Original post was always MP, which is what held my tongue. MP decisions are not my forte. Not that I have a forte.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Old York Posted February 13, 2009 Report Share Posted February 13, 2009 Playing in a club game you somehow buy it for 3♦ Maybe the moral here should be "dont push your luck"? Tony :D p.s What actually happened at the table? and what score did you receive? I think that we were all looking for the banana skin. hehe Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
maggieb Posted February 13, 2009 Report Share Posted February 13, 2009 I like the duck at trick 1 Phil, it keeps you in control. If the oppponents continue clubs you are ahead in tempo. If they don't then you can switch and go after hearts. :rolleyes: The hand is not easy but the basic technique is very important, good hand for the B/I forum. At my club you can rarely guess where the rest of the room plays the board. Making an overtrick on this hand can still make quite a difference in score. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Winstonm Posted February 13, 2009 Report Share Posted February 13, 2009 Win the club, AK of hearts and heart pitching a spade. On diamond Ace, will unblock high card in dummy. If spade or mor hearts will ruff high and lead a club. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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