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Wah wah! Too much hopeless cases around ?

 

Bidding box contains cards Pass to 7NT, D, RD, alert, stop, TD. Don't expect to see LOL card. My piece of advice never try to laugh out loud at bridge tables in a running live tournament. No doubt one can't dare to classify skill levels face to face. I guarantee you reach different results apart bridge game. It is similar in a live discussion panel or any conference, meeting.

 

But this is th internet. It seems from a safe distance some people like to expose their hard feelings. Pity. Stop troll!

 

Let's see objective things. How about bridge cards? Let's try to perform wise and humble. It would be nice & neat.

 

REMEMBER : YOU ARE HERE TO TELL YOUR JUDGEMENT ABOUT AUCTION&CARD PLAY. IF POSTED ITEMS CAUSE YOU GET MAD; BETTER TO KEEP YOUR EMOTIONAL PROBLEMS INSIDE. EACH FORUM MEMBER HAS EQUAL RIGHTS. YOU MAY AGREE OR DISAGREE ABOUT OTHER PLAYERS LINES. I DO NOT THINK EVERYBODY MUST THINK SAME ABOUT BRIDGE GAME. POSITIVE & POLITE CRITICISM WITH BRIDGE CARDS AND SAMPLE LAYOUTS ARE ALWAYS WELCOMED. EVERYBODY MUST BE CAREFUL ABOUT TH LANGUAGE. OTHERWISE I SEE THINGS CHILDISH. I STILL CARRY TH HOPE THAT CIVILISATION AND POLITENESS WORDS EXISTS IN ALL DICTIONARIES! REALLY, NO NEED NEGATIVE TRAITS. THIS DOESN'T HELP TO FIX BRIDGE PROBLEMS.

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Wah wah! Too much hopeless cases around ?

 

Bidding box contains cards Pass to 7NT, D, RD, alert, stop, TD. Don't expect to see LOL card. My piece of advice never try to laugh out loud at bridge tables in a running live tournament. No doubt one can't dare to classify skill levels face to face. I guarantee you reach different results apart bridge game. It is similar in a live discussion panel or any conference, meeting.

 

But this is th internet. It seems from a safe distance some people like to expose their hard feelings. Pity. Stop troll!

 

Let's see objective things. How about bridge cards? Let's try to perform wise and humble. It would be nice & neat.

 

REMEMBER : YOU ARE HERE TO TELL YOUR JUDGEMENT ABOUT AUCTION&CARD PLAY. IF POSTED ITEMS CAUSE YOU GET MAD; BETTER TO KEEP YOUR EMOTIONAL PROBLEMS INSIDE. EACH FORUM MEMBER HAS EQUAL RIGHTS. YOU MAY AGREE OR DISAGREE ABOUT OTHER PLAYERS LINES. I DO NOT THINK EVERYBODY MUST THINK SAME ABOUT BRIDGE GAME. POSITIVE & POLITE CRITICISM WITH BRIDGE CARDS AND SAMPLE LAYOUTS ARE ALWAYS WELCOMED. EVERYBODY MUST BE CAREFUL ABOUT TH LANGUAGE. OTHERWISE I SEE THINGS CHILDISH. I STILL CARRY TH HOPE THAT CIVILISATION AND POLITENESS WORDS EXISTS IN ALL DICTIONARIES! REALLY, NO NEED NEGATIVE TRAITS. THIS DOESN'T HELP TO FIX BRIDGE PROBLEMS.

But the case here is that your bridge "problem" is grossly inappropriate for this forum. I agree that some of the reactions you recieve are rude, but you can't expect deep answers to non-problems such as this.

 

1) It's standard to play splinters here. Your post seems completely ignorant of that. When you post 3♠ with no comments to it, people just assume that this is a huge misbid.

 

2) Asking if we should make a second slam try with this hand is totally absurd, really. For starters, for slam we need to find partner with specifically 2 aces, the ♥Q and the ♠K for his 12-14 NT. How do you like your chances? And when partner has already signed off?

 

3) Had you asked if it was worth to make a splinter over 2♥ in search of the magic hand opposite, you would probably have recieved some useful answers. But your question, as it is, is just waste of time, sorry to say. :mellow:

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But the case here is that your bridge "problem" is grossly inappropriate for this forum. I agree that some of the reactions you recieve are rude, but you can't expect deep answers to non-problems such as this.

 

1) It's standard to play splinters here. Your post seems completely ignorant of that. When you post 3♠ with no comments to it, people just assume that this is a huge misbid.

 

2) Asking if we should make a second slam try with this hand is totally absurd, really. For starters, for slam we need to find partner with specifically 2 aces, the ♥Q and the ♠K for his 12-14 NT. How do you like your chances? And when partner has already signed off?

 

3) Had you asked if it was worth to make a splinter over 2♥ in search of the magic hand opposite, you would probably have recieved some useful answers. But your question, as it is, is just waste of time, sorry to say. :mellow:

1) Do we focus responder's window? Say a splinter done. Is it 4♣ ? Say NT opener has 4-4-2-3 and 1stly showed lower suit. How come they find 9 cards ♠ fit?

2) Visualization. NT opener's deal : Kx-AQJx-xxx-AJTx. There may be a way to discover it. If anyone tells "too risky" for sure i respect. Is it not proper to ask what is th risk? Come on pls.

3) Waste of time? Oh, do you expect World Grand Masters top ten members regularly posts their ideas on BB Forums?

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But the case here is that your bridge "problem" is grossly inappropriate for this forum. I agree that some of the reactions you recieve are rude, but you can't expect deep answers to non-problems such as this.

 

1) It's standard to play splinters here. Your post seems completely ignorant of that. When you post 3♠ with no comments to it, people just assume that this is a huge misbid.

 

2) Asking if we should make a second slam try with this hand is totally absurd, really. For starters, for slam we need to find partner with specifically 2 aces, the ♥Q and the ♠K for his 12-14 NT. How do you like your chances? And when partner has already signed off?

 

3) Had you asked if it was worth to make a splinter over 2♥ in search of the magic hand opposite, you would probably have recieved some useful answers. But your question, as it is, is just waste of time, sorry to say. :mellow:

1) Do we focus responder's window? Say a splinter done. Is it 4♣ ? Say NT opener has 4-4-2-3 and 1stly showed lower suit. How come they find 9 cards ♠ fit?

2) Visualization. NT opener's deal : Kx-AQJx-xxx-AJTx. There may be a way to discover it. If anyone tells "too risky" for sure i respect.

3) Waste of time? Oh, do you expect World Grand Masters top ten members regularly posts their ideas on BB Forums?

1) Usually one doesn't worry about finding a 5-4 fit in spades in this auction. But I guess that 3♠ could be played as natural. If so, we definitely need agreements how to show a good hand as opener, in case responder has slam interest. 4♥ must be a minimum bid. But when you post, you can specify the system in the comments.

 

2) Your example hand is a very strong 15-count with just the right values. Quite rare to have when you open a 12-14NT. :blink:

 

3) Not top 10 perhaps, but many of the other posters in the A/E forum are very strong international players.

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Sorry, let's drop cl knave pls. I was busy&distracted at that moment.

I prefer to find 5/4 fits.

Very strong? Do you mean WBF LM top ten here? C'mon pls. I doubt WIM&WM top ten here. Sorry.

Hi Hamdi,

 

my advice:

 

Focus on the positive; A great chance to learn something.

 

You are right, answers here can be quite rude. I can be that myself, and has also received some harsh words. Those are the breaks.

 

Nobody in this forum gets paid for their efforts, so sometimes a short, possibly rude, comment is all you get. If you get ten alike to one post, there's a big chance that there is consensus about something. And people don't want to spend time and effort explaining what is obvious.

 

But take comfort, that some of the players that ridicule you ARE strong. I know for certain that some has represented their countries (and still is) in Open Teams.

 

So shape up, make good, well-prepared posts, and you will have a great chance to learn.

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say there were > Kx-AQxx-xxx-Axxx.. I think still can play slam. I want to know what would be th correct bids.

Maybe MFA helps to comment reason/s. Thanks.

Sincerely

Hamdi

ps It was an auction we watched by a tourist guest pair in local club. They could not land slam also.

While I thank you for posting a lot of hands, I agree with the basic criticisms of this particular post.

 

1. You failed to explain 3♠. Your later comments suggested that you were looking for a 9 card spade fit and therefore intended it as natural and forcing.. a treatment that I suspect is very much a minority position. Many would play 3♠ as a (usually) balanced slam try, agreeing hearts and conveying zero information about spade length. In any event, very few players would agree with the idea that on a borderline hand one looks for the 5-4 rather than the 4-4... the 4-4 often plays a trick better than the 5-4, since if trump are 3-2, one may get a pitch on the 5th card in the long suit, enabling us to score 5 trump tricks from the 4-4 fit.

 

2. In the context of 3♠ as natural, partner's 4♥ call becomes mystifying, unless 3♠ also confirmed hearts... I guess, if you play transfers and smolen, that maybe it did.. but you should post explanations of the calls. When you don't and the auction is not completely standard, you can expect a lot of criticism and virtually no useful answers.. we are guessing at the context of the problem.

 

3. While as MFA stated, slam is possible opposite specific cards, most good players learned a long time ago that one should NEVER make a call based on the hope that partner has the perfect cards if by doing so one risks a poor result when he doesn't. Imagine a perfectly normal 1N on Qx AJxx xxx KQxx... yes, this is a minimum, but statistically minimums are more common than maximums.. which was one reason for the change, years ago, from the common 16-18 1N to the present 15-17 strong 1N: I am not sure of the numbers, but I recall reading that balanced 15 counts are 40% more common than balanced 18 counts. So partner will have MORE 12 counts than 14 counts.... and, if we have made a slam try already, and partner has rejected, partner will have FAR more minimums than maximums. Bear in mind that on a bad day, 4♥ can fail... and you are proposing to push to the 5-level opposite a non-co-operative partner.

 

4. As a companion point to no. 3... trying to retroactively construct auctions that would reach a difficult-to-bid slam is an extremely dangerous habit. You may end up persuading yourself to make bad bids because, on one specific hand, they worked out. You will become a weaker, not a stronger, player this way. Strong players recognize that their methods will sometimes prove inadequate to the handling of a particular hand or combination. In this case, if opener had a magic hand and chose not to co-operate, then either opener made an error or this was one of the hands that the system can't be expected to bid... if the former, don't try to bid partner's hand for him, and if the latter... get on with the next hand... and consider, if you find yourselves being consistently outbid, whether the methods used by the successful bidders are in fact better than yours across the spectrum of hand-types, not merely the one in question.

 

I think that LOL was a mild criticism for posting this in the A/E forum...

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Mikeh, I thank you for 2 reasons:

1) Spared your time to analyse 2) Enlightened me abt an auction that we (local club members here) 100 pct have no idea.

 

Some details abt behavioral disorders :

Th difference between a right&wrong spirit in giving criticism is like th difference between manliness&childishness.

LOL might be some kind of culture difference of unusual lifestyles for me.

 

I have no time for debate stuff. Instead I've an offer. Why don't you follow such simple steps ?

 

1)Click search, type "arrogance" into top Search by Keywords box

2) Search where : all forums

3) in 90 days show results as posts.

 

There you'll see threads. It's madness. Even such people shows me zillions gold medals i never pay a dime to hire. I prefer to hire matured & polite professionals.

 

What i saw on threads abt arrogance : intolerance of competing ideas.

 

No worries. I am firm vs indifference & gloating & sarcasm. I know they are not wise and only trying to cover weakness with false dilemmas. Demagogy is still trend amongst puppies.

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