gnasher Posted February 6, 2009 Author Report Share Posted February 6, 2009 gnasher will accuse me of thread-hijacking if I tell you what happened at the other table. No, go ahead. I think the world needs to know. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Finch Posted February 6, 2009 Report Share Posted February 6, 2009 gnasher will accuse me of thread-hijacking if I tell you what happened at the other table. No, go ahead. I think the world needs to know. At the other table the auction was 2C 2D2S 3C3NT 5SP one offtrumps are not 5-1 (or 6-0)it wasn't very well played, but it's definitely a worse contract than some of the alternatives. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jdonn Posted February 6, 2009 Report Share Posted February 6, 2009 Come on, full hand please. :) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Old York Posted February 6, 2009 Report Share Posted February 6, 2009 whether you invite or drive slam depends a bit on your style of 2C opening. If partner likes to open hands at the 1-level unless he has a serious monster Is this unauthorized information, which you should avoid using? You should not include partnership style as part of your system? I like the auction 2♣-3♣ 3♠-4♠ 4NT? but I am old fashioned Tony Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Finch Posted February 6, 2009 Report Share Posted February 6, 2009 whether you invite or drive slam depends a bit on your style of 2C opening. If partner likes to open hands at the 1-level unless he has a serious monster Is this unauthorized information, which you should avoid using? You should not include partnership style as part of your system? Sorry, I don't understand the question. Of course partnership style authorised information. It's one of the advantages of being in a practised partnership that you know how your partner likes to bid particular hands, how much he needs to open 2C, how aggressive he is in the slam zone, etc. If the opponents ask you about it, you will of course tell them. There is a bit in one of the English regulations that says partnership style is not part of your 'system'. That is in the context where you are not allowed to have each member of the partnership playing a different system e.g. the man playing 12-16 1NT opening and the woman 19-20 1NT opening. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Old York Posted February 6, 2009 Report Share Posted February 6, 2009 maybe I am just tooooo English. lol Seriously tho, I try not to read my partner's mind in situations like this. If partner chooses to open 2♣ it is safer to assume that he has his bid. :) Tony Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
H_KARLUK Posted February 7, 2009 Report Share Posted February 7, 2009 Say, something dealt : [hv=d=s&v=b&n=sqjhq832d32ca9875&w=skt97hk54dqt987c2&e=s32ht976d54cjt643&s=sa8654hajdakj6ckq]399|300|Scoring: IMP[/hv] 2♣ 2♦2♠ 3♣3♦ 3♠3NT ? Then what would be the best contract ? Thanks! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mike777 Posted February 7, 2009 Report Share Posted February 7, 2009 Say, something dealt : [hv=d=s&v=b&n=sqjhq832d32ca9875&w=skt97hk54dqt987c2&e=s32ht976d54cjt643&s=sa8654hajdakj6ckq]399|300|Scoring: IMP[/hv] 2♣ 2♦2♠ 3♣3♦ 3♠3NT ? Then what would be the best contract ? Thanks! I end up in 4nt I open 2c more than most here in forum but one spade for me so: 1s=1nt4nt=p Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phil Posted February 7, 2009 Report Share Posted February 7, 2009 Say, something dealt : [hv=d=s&v=b&n=sqjhq832d32ca9875&w=skt97hk54dqt987c2&e=s32ht976d54cjt643&s=sa8654hajdakj6ckq]399|300|Scoring: IMP[/hv] 2♣ 2♦2♠ 3♣3♦ 3♠3NT ? Then what would be the best contract ? Thanks! Wow, no 10's and one 9. Quite generous of you. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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jdonn Posted February 7, 2009 Report Share Posted February 7, 2009 Wow, no 10's and one 9. Quite generous of you. And a complete minimum. And all 3 finesses losing. And no suit breaking well. And all 3 of partner's bids questionable. Btw, what 9? I guess you meant no 10s and no 9s and one 8. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
H_KARLUK Posted February 7, 2009 Report Share Posted February 7, 2009 Wow, no 10's and one 9. Quite generous of you. And a complete minimum. And all 3 finesses losing. And no suit breaking well. And all 3 of partner's bids questionable. Btw, what 9? I guess you meant no 10s and no 9s and one 8. Do you mind defense have 9 HCP with 3 ten vs 31HCP? I do not interest with NT slams when 3 finesses needed. If all were favorably then what would be problem?That's why i bid pass to posted question and tried to present such a layout. 4th round 2♣ bidder's 3NT quite unusual when responder showed interest with 2 suits. I believe th captaincy turned to opener, so pass normal. Meanwhile I still could not get why responder's heart suit never mentioned. If you have a layout suitable to given auction I would like to see it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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jdonn Posted February 7, 2009 Report Share Posted February 7, 2009 If you have a layout suitable to given auction I would like to see it. AKxxx AKx AKQx J for partner. Just a little better than 3 finesses.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
H_KARLUK Posted February 7, 2009 Report Share Posted February 7, 2009 If you have a layout suitable to given auction I would like to see it. AKxxx AKx AKQx J for partner. Just a little better than 3 finesses.... Well, if you believe with such a deal 4th round 3NT is quite normal I have no words sorry. But thanks you honestly told your idea. 2♣ 2♦2♠ 3♣3♦ 3♠3NT ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rogerclee Posted February 7, 2009 Report Share Posted February 7, 2009 If you have a layout suitable to given auction I would like to see it. AKxxx AKx AKQx J for partner. Just a little better than 3 finesses.... Well, if you believe with such a deal 4th round 3NT is quite normal I have no words sorry. LOL Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
andy_h Posted February 7, 2009 Report Share Posted February 7, 2009 Has anyone ever opened 2C and planned to bid their spades at their next go that were headed by the A8xxx ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
H_KARLUK Posted February 7, 2009 Report Share Posted February 7, 2009 Has anyone ever opened 2C and planned to bid their spades at their next go that were headed by the A8xxx ? Always length or always suit quality ? I think length showing bids helps to find 8 cards fits. I do not think always top 2 or 3 required. Same approach is not valid on rebids and responder bids? Say you have Qxxxx and p has Kxx. Just play for Ax. Then enjoy 4 tricks. It is same when yr side has Qxxx and Kxxx. A matter of positional factor. By luck or if auction and point count gives clues when any of your honour card not covered by Ace and if it is born as a doubleton your side cash rest tricks. There's a chance. Similarly, say you hold A8xxx and partner holds Qxx. Soon or late such a combination supposed not worths to bid and set as trumps? But still you have a chance to win 4 tricks if Kx favorably distributed. One can still play Ace and low hoping to drop Kx onside or offside. Just try not to capture your high card to your opponents. Otherwise perhaps nothing to do unless you have a chance to complete an elimination or play for thrown in or ruff sluff position. Who knows elopement and a controlled loser on loser also available with such 8 cards trumps fits. You might knew well; there are plain and constructive losers. Such combinations may serve th purpose of promoting eventual winners in an unexpected time. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gwnn Posted February 7, 2009 Report Share Posted February 7, 2009 lol... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Finch Posted February 7, 2009 Report Share Posted February 7, 2009 Come on, full hand please. :D This is gnasher's thread really, all we had to do was defend 5S. [hv=n=sqjhq9xxdxxca987x&w=s10xxhk10djxxcj6xxx&e=s8xxhxxxxxdq109xcx&s=sak9xxhajdakxxckq]399|300|[/hv] gnasher & partner (I can't remember who was who) bid 2C - 2D2S - 3C3D - 3S3NT - 5S6C - 6S6NT - P This may have been a bit awkward on a diamond lead, but I'm fairly certain that wasn't the lead, as the play didn't take very long. 5S went off when declarer won the diamond lead in hand, and tried to cash the KQ of clubs, ruffed. Heart return to the jack and king, club ruffed & over-ruffed. He could still have made by ruffing a diamond in dummy, but instead hoped that West was following to three rounds of hearts and continue with two trumps in dummy, ace of clubs, queen of hearts, ruffed for one off. This wasn't the best available line. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jdonn Posted February 7, 2009 Report Share Posted February 7, 2009 If you have a layout suitable to given auction I would like to see it. AKxxx AKx AKQx J for partner. Just a little better than 3 finesses.... Well, if you believe with such a deal 4th round 3NT is quite normal I have no words sorry. Hmmm. 24 count with 5 spades 4 diamonds and a double heart stopper. Let's take those in order. I open 2♣. 24 count, check.I bid 2♠, 5 spades, check.I bid 3♦, 4 diamonds, check.I bid 3NT when hearts are the unbid suit, double heart stopper, check. Sign me up! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
orlam Posted February 7, 2009 Report Share Posted February 7, 2009 Has anyone ever opened 2C and planned to bid their spades at their next go that were headed by the A8xxx ? What would you open and rebid with AK832 AJ AKJxx A?I thought once you have 23 hcp or more you always have to open 2♣, and then if you have shape you just have to bid it out. (I am not sure I have done it, though, the odds of getting an unbalanced 23+ hcp hand with exactly AK8xx of spades are not very high.) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gnasher Posted February 7, 2009 Author Report Share Posted February 7, 2009 Has anyone ever opened 2C and planned to bid their spades at their next go that were headed by the A8xxx ? I certainly would do, given a good enough hand. What else am I supposed to do with A8xxx AK AKQxx A ? That's not to say I'd do it with A8654 AJ AKJ6 KQ, which is a long way from being a game-force. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phil Posted February 7, 2009 Report Share Posted February 7, 2009 Wow, no 10's and one 9. Quite generous of you. And a complete minimum. And all 3 finesses losing. And no suit breaking well. And all 3 of partner's bids questionable. Btw, what 9? I guess you meant no 10s and no 9s and one 8. The curse of clubs is in the North hand. A couple of 8's too. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Winstonm Posted February 7, 2009 Report Share Posted February 7, 2009 First instinct was 4N, it actually seemed quite normal, but I am really worried 6S is the right spot (AKTxx Ax AKQx Kx etc) and we won't get there if I bid 4N. Maybe partner will bid 5N and pass 6S though with that... I don't really see what else I can do anyways. Actually reconsidering it maybe I am supposed to just drive to slam? I think that's too much though... so back to 4N heh. Actually I have changed my mind again, I think it's not worth a slam force but I like 5S. It gives us a presumably safe out, and makes sure we get to spades when it's right. Good problem. It is a good problem and the QJ of spades make it such - it could well be hard for partner to decide AK109x is good enough over a 5S call. I think part of the problem is the 3C bid. My personal idea is that in a 2C auction, responder should remain passive unless he has something rather extrodinary to point out about his hand. Shape - or semi-shape is important, and by that I mean do you hold at least 2 cards in every suit. If so, I like a 2N continuation to show the this balanced/semi-balanced feature. Now, the auction proceeds 2C-2D-2S-2N-3D- Opener knows responder holds at least 2-card spade support, so the 3D bid strongly implies only 5 spades. Responder can now show different types of spade holdings with 3S/3N/4S/5S. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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