bid_em_up Posted February 4, 2009 Report Share Posted February 4, 2009 [hv=d=p&s=sjxxxhqxdakxc98xx]133|100|Scoring: IMP[/hv] Opponents silent throughout. Partner opens 1H, you respond 1S,Partner rebids 2C, and you? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fluffy Posted February 4, 2009 Report Share Posted February 4, 2009 3♣ there is no need to pretect our diamond stopper with 2NT. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jdonn Posted February 4, 2009 Report Share Posted February 4, 2009 3♣ I won't be a genius on this one. If partner follows with 3♦ I'll bid 3♥ (very worried about spades in 3NT), if he bids 3♥ I'll of course raise, if he bids 3♠ I'll bid 3NT, and if he bids 3NT I'll happily pass. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fluffy Posted February 4, 2009 Report Share Posted February 4, 2009 3♣ I won't be a genius on this one. If partner follows with 3♦ I'll bid 3♥ (very worried about spades in 3NT), if he bids 3♥ I'll of course raise, if he bids 3♠ I'll bid 3NT, and if he bids 3NT I'll happily pass. But you should be able to find 3NT if partner has a maximum 2524 with concentrated values. Oh wait, 4♥ makes then, I play too much MPs Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jdonn Posted February 4, 2009 Report Share Posted February 4, 2009 3♣ I won't be a genius on this one. If partner follows with 3♦ I'll bid 3♥ (very worried about spades in 3NT), if he bids 3♥ I'll of course raise, if he bids 3♠ I'll bid 3NT, and if he bids 3NT I'll happily pass. But you should be able to find 3NT if partner has a maximum 2524 with concentrated values. Oh wait, 4♥ makes then, I play too much MPs You mean if he bids 3♦ on a 2524 with nothing in his doubletons? I bid 3♥, he bids 3♠ and I bid 3NT. B) 3♥ is not a transfer to 4♥. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whereagles Posted February 4, 2009 Report Share Posted February 4, 2009 3♣ should be better than 2NT. Especially if pard has a singleton spade. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JLOL Posted February 4, 2009 Report Share Posted February 4, 2009 3C, I think 2H would be quite reasonable at MP though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mike777 Posted February 4, 2009 Report Share Posted February 4, 2009 <!-- ONEHAND begin --><table border='1'> <tr> <td> <table> <tr> <td> Dealer: </td> <td> partner </td> </tr> <tr> <td> Vul: </td> <td> ???? </td> </tr> <tr> <td> Scoring: </td> <td> IMP </td> </tr> </table> </td> <td> <table> <tr> <th> <span class='spades'> ♠ </span> </th> <td> Jxxx </td> </tr> <tr> <th> <span class='hearts'> ♥ </span> </th> <td> Qx </td> </tr> <tr> <th> <span class='diamonds'> ♦ </span> </th> <td> AKx </td> </tr> <tr> <th> <span class='clubs'> ♣ </span> </th> <td> 98xx </td> </tr> </table> </td> <td> </td> </tr> </table><!-- ONEHAND end --> Opponents silent throughout. Partner opens 1H, you respond 1S,Partner rebids 2C, and you? 2h for me......3c for me would show much more.... 3c is fine OTOH if partner opens pretty sound. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skjaeran Posted February 5, 2009 Report Share Posted February 5, 2009 3♣ at IMPs for me, but I'm a 2♥-bidder at MP. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mcphee Posted February 5, 2009 Report Share Posted February 5, 2009 3C is forward going generally 8-11 type of hand 4 card support, darn I have that. I do not bid 2H at pairs, this is the sort of hand that I far prefer to play down the middle with, a 2H bid will be made with many hands that are worse and is very non encouraging. And btw for all you 2H bidders I hope trumps break 5-1 and you get punched out with S. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
effervesce Posted February 5, 2009 Report Share Posted February 5, 2009 3♣. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jdonn Posted February 5, 2009 Report Share Posted February 5, 2009 3C is forward going generally 8-11 type of hand 4 card support, darn I have that. I do not bid 2H at pairs, this is the sort of hand that I far prefer to play down the middle with, a 2H bid will be made with many hands that are worse and is very non encouraging. And btw for all you 2H bidders I hope trumps break 5-1 and you get punched out with S. I would also bid 2♥ at mps, I just didn't mention it. BTW I think it's very likely a 4-1 club break is worse for clubs than a 5-1 heart break is for hearts. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Edmunte1 Posted February 6, 2009 Report Share Posted February 6, 2009 I would have bid 2♥ at both forms of scoring Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bid_em_up Posted February 6, 2009 Author Report Share Posted February 6, 2009 My partner chose to pass. Making six on the J♣ lead, as it picked up the trump loser that I would ordinarily have. I suggested that with all the working cards (AK♦, the ♥Q, and 4 trumps), that either 2♥ or 3♣ would be more appropriate. (I prefer 3C at either form of scoring). I chose not to make a jump shift (would you?) on: [hv=s=shakjxxdj109xcak10x]133|100|[/hv] under the assumption that 2C will not be passed unless partner has a very weak hand that also contains a heart singleton or void. Otherwise, I expected to hear a return to 2H, at a minimum. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TylerE Posted February 6, 2009 Report Share Posted February 6, 2009 *ahem*, I think we actually scored 190 on this? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rogerclee Posted February 6, 2009 Report Share Posted February 6, 2009 My partner chose to pass. LOL Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kenrexford Posted February 6, 2009 Report Share Posted February 6, 2009 Just tossing out a thought here. Has anyone ever run a series of sample deals to see what would happen if Responder immediately raised the major with Hx and a 10-count rather than some other move? This situation seems to be a recurring problem. It seems intuitive that handling this hand 1♥-P-2♥ has its obvious downsides, but then some of those could be "cured" or minimized with some technique, like 3NT remaining more in the picture than usually and side suits raised more often. I just wonder if that option might actually work more than gut instinct or CW suggests. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ArtK78 Posted February 6, 2009 Report Share Posted February 6, 2009 3C, I think 2H would be quite reasonable at MP though. This is exactly what I was thinking when I saw the hand. Responder's pass after opener's 2♣ rebid is the height of wimpitude (wimpitudity? wimpiness?). Opener's 2♣ rebid is interesting. Normally with 0544 one bids diamonds second, but I can certainly see why one might choose a 2♣ rebid, intending to bid 3♦ next. I agree that this hand is not worth a jump rebid. Partner is unlikely to pass on any hand where game is cold (but that is what he did). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jdonn Posted February 6, 2009 Report Share Posted February 6, 2009 Just tossing out a thought here. Has anyone ever run a series of sample deals to see what would happen if Responder immediately raised the major with Hx and a 10-count rather than some other move? This situation seems to be a recurring problem. It seems intuitive that handling this hand 1♥-P-2♥ has its obvious downsides, but then some of those could be "cured" or minimized with some technique, like 3NT remaining more in the picture than usually and side suits raised more often. I just wonder if that option might actually work more than gut instinct or CW suggests. The big problem I have with this, and have seen in practice as well as thought in theory, is that if the opponents compete partner goes to the 3 level much too often. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bid_em_up Posted February 6, 2009 Author Report Share Posted February 6, 2009 *ahem*, I think we actually scored 190 on this? Did I make 7? Maybe, its all a blur now. :) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TylerE Posted February 6, 2009 Report Share Posted February 6, 2009 Pretty sure. I definatly remembered it because it's not a score I'd written down before. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kenrexford Posted February 6, 2009 Report Share Posted February 6, 2009 Just tossing out a thought here. Has anyone ever run a series of sample deals to see what would happen if Responder immediately raised the major with Hx and a 10-count rather than some other move? This situation seems to be a recurring problem. It seems intuitive that handling this hand 1♥-P-2♥ has its obvious downsides, but then some of those could be "cured" or minimized with some technique, like 3NT remaining more in the picture than usually and side suits raised more often. I just wonder if that option might actually work more than gut instinct or CW suggests. The big problem I have with this, and have seen in practice as well as thought in theory, is that if the opponents compete partner goes to the 3 level much too often. Ah, but it the LTTC applies, won't you offset occasional overbids by us when the opponents overbid competitively, expecting an 8-fit? Won't you also increase the fear factor for the opponents when the call is alerted as possibly a 2-card fit with bulk? I mean, 1♠-P-2♠! "He might have Hx in spades and about a good 9 to bad 11." If the OPP bid 3♣, he might catch the latter and get hammered with no law protection. If he does not bid, he might miss a 19-trump layout. So, although there are downsides and risks, there seem to be compensating upsides and benefits. I wonder about the relative weights of each. Obviously, the approach of pros and cons means swingy action, which in and of itself may be a benefit to some but a detriment to others. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jdonn Posted February 6, 2009 Report Share Posted February 6, 2009 Ken if your general argument is that our side misbidding might cause their side to misjudge, I agree. But that's always true. I don't consider it a very good reason to misbid in general. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ArtK78 Posted February 6, 2009 Report Share Posted February 6, 2009 This is beginning to sound like a Hideous Hog argument. I may not have the quote 100% accurate, but it goes something like this, "No bid is truly bad if it provokes the opponents into making a worse bid." Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mtvesuvius Posted February 6, 2009 Report Share Posted February 6, 2009 3♣, no need to mastermind this... LOL @ Partner's pass. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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