Phil Posted February 4, 2009 Report Share Posted February 4, 2009 A pair at my club plays 1x - 2♦ as EXACTLY 11 points; regardless of shape. Its part of this home-brewed system. Legal or not? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
straube Posted February 4, 2009 Report Share Posted February 4, 2009 Not legal under the GCC, but legal under the MidChart Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Free Posted February 4, 2009 Report Share Posted February 4, 2009 WOW there's another pair here in Belgium playing this! However, it's in an old fashioned strong ♣ system... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ASkolnick Posted February 4, 2009 Report Share Posted February 4, 2009 Remember, a club is at its own discretion to allow any conventions they want. I played at a club where it was relatively liberal with conventions. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rbforster Posted February 4, 2009 Report Share Posted February 4, 2009 A pair at my club plays 1x - 2♦ as EXACTLY 11 points; regardless of shape. Its part of this home-brewed system. Legal or not? If by legal, you mean ACBL GCC, it would only be legal over a 1x opening if: 1x was a strong (15+) opening1x was 1N with a reasonably narrow range of HCP and generally showing a balanced hand1x was such that 2♦ initiated a game force (maybe Fantunes very sound 1 level openings) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blackshoe Posted February 4, 2009 Report Share Posted February 4, 2009 Whether this is legal depends on where you are, as regulations differ. While as far as I know "everybody" allows clubs to regulate conventions however they like (within the laws), that doesn't mean that it's necessarily true. There may be some NBO or RA that doesn't allow it. :angry: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PrecisionL Posted February 4, 2009 Report Share Posted February 4, 2009 In ACBLand you can play ONE 2/1 response as artificial: Either G.F. or G.I. but not both. The Power System, thus, is not GCC legal. I researched this a few years ago and had e-mail correspondence with ACBL. Larry Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hrothgar Posted February 4, 2009 Report Share Posted February 4, 2009 In ACBLand you can play ONE 2/1 response as artificial: Either G.F. or G.I. but not both. The Power System, thus, is not GCC legal. I researched this a few years ago and had e-mail correspondence with ACBL. Larry Say what ???? Let's ignore the restrictions surrounding relay systems for the moment. I thought that something like the following would be perfectly legal 1♥ - (P) - 2♣ = artificial game force (denies 3+ Spades)1♥ - (P) - 2♦ = artificial game force (promises 3+ Spades) As I recall, the regulations permit bids that show game forcing values. I don't recall a limitation on the total number of said bids. I'd be interested in understanding where this (supposed) restriction comes from. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gerben42 Posted February 4, 2009 Report Share Posted February 4, 2009 I would prefer the 2♦ response to show the ♦7. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
keylime Posted February 4, 2009 Report Share Posted February 4, 2009 Hear hear to that Gerben, especially since Larry owes me a beer from Raleigh. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jdonn Posted February 4, 2009 Report Share Posted February 4, 2009 A pair at my club plays 1x - 2♦ as EXACTLY 11 points; regardless of shape. Its part of this home-brewed system. Legal or not? Who cares if it's legal, don't call the director. You want them to be playing this against you! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PrecisionL Posted February 4, 2009 Report Share Posted February 4, 2009 In ACBLand you can play ONE 2/1 response as artificial: Either G.F. or G.I. but not both. The Power System, thus, is not GCC legal. I researched this a few years ago and had e-mail correspondence with ACBL. Larry Say what ???? Let's ignore the restrictions surrounding relay systems for the moment. I thought that something like the following would be perfectly legal 1♥ - (P) - 2♣ = artificial game force (denies 3+ Spades)1♥ - (P) - 2♦ = artificial game force (promises 3+ Spades) As I recall, the regulations permit bids that show game forcing values. I don't recall a limitation on the total number of said bids. I'd be interested in understanding where this (supposed) restriction comes from.The restriction comes from ACBL when I queried them on playing the Power System by Klinger that has 1M - 2♣ as Artificial and G.I. and 1M - 2♦ as Artificial and G.F. They replied (from memory) that these Power bids were not GCC as 2/1 bids in a minor must be either GF or GI but not one of each. I know Jacoby 2NT is also an artificial bid. I don't know the legality of your treatment showing or denying 3♠. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ASkolnick Posted February 4, 2009 Report Share Posted February 4, 2009 Actually friends of mine wanted to play the power system as well. I believe what makes it illegal from the GCC is you can only play an artificial 2 over 1 response is game forcing, not one or the other. So, you could not play 1M-2c as invitational. From GCC:3. CONVENTIONAL RESPONSES WHICH GUARANTEE GAME FORCING OR BETTER VALUES. May NOT be part of a relay system. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brianshark Posted February 5, 2009 Report Share Posted February 5, 2009 So you can't play, for example, 2C as an artificial GF and the other 2 bids as natural and 10+? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ASkolnick Posted February 5, 2009 Report Share Posted February 5, 2009 No, that you can play. You cannot have an artificial invitational only. 1S-2C GF is legal.1S-2X Inv+ is also legal if 2X is natural.1S-2C Artificial invitational only is not legal. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mycroft Posted February 5, 2009 Report Share Posted February 5, 2009 No, no, Gerben, that doesn't work. You can't make the beer in a (*) diamond contract. All you are doing here is hogging all the non-beerable contracts, and letting partner make two shots at getting to the right strain in the beerable one. * In the UWaterloo version of this, insert "non-doubled, non-slam" here. Also, of course, defensive beers count - and are especially refreshing when scored in a diamond contract. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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