Apollo81 Posted February 3, 2009 Report Share Posted February 3, 2009 5♠. The fact that partner didn't double 2NT is enough for me to not want to double them in 5♥. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
benlessard Posted February 4, 2009 Report Share Posted February 4, 2009 Partner need AKx in clubs to give us an entry for our good diamonds. So its a 5 or 7 hand. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fluffy Posted February 4, 2009 Report Share Posted February 4, 2009 Partner need AKx in clubs to give us an entry for our good diamonds. So its a 5 or 7 hand. You have a point here, but ♠K might be our entry if partner has ♥A or they fail to lead this suit. Also ♦ can easilly be our entry as long as our LHO doesn't have the queen. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Finch Posted February 4, 2009 Report Share Posted February 4, 2009 People are REALLY overestimating the power of this hand imo. Sure if we can stop clubs and pull trumps and run diamonds everything is all fine and dandy, but if we cant pull trumps (and trumps will often break badly) then there is significant risk after a heart lead ruffed that we can't really do anything. If we play the trumps then they can get in and cash some hearts, if we don't play the trumps then they can either keep pounding hearts or just play diamonds killing the dummy, etc. Also it's not like our diamonds are solid, anything can happen there. We might either lose a trick to the DQ, or partner might have a stiff diamond which would be a disaster for our hand (though unlikely on the auction). I'd have thought it's likely that if we want to be in a slam, 6D is likely to be better than 6S, for all the reasons that JLOL suggests spades may play badly. We know that partner doesn't have a good 6-card spade suit, because he didn't bid 3S over 2NT. I think AQ10xxx is enough for a 3S bid, after all he knows we may be about to be pre-empted. Give him some boring weak NT such as AQxxxQxxQxAxx and I probably want to defend 5Hx, but failing that if I'm going to bid, I'd much rather be in 6D than 5S. The same is true if you take away the queen of diamonds. Even opposite chunky spades such as AQJxx Qxx xx Axx 6D is quite possibly at least as good as 5S, as you are probably going to have to get diamonds right in either. So _if_ I bid here, I think 6D is a better bid than 5S. p.s. I don't have a very good record on this type auction. The last-time-but-one my team-mates had this type of hand, they bid slam, and oppo cashed the AK of the suit they had bid and supported (at least that won't happen here!). The last time the opponents had this typeo f hand, they bid slam, and my teammates failed to cash the AK of the suit they had bid and supported. One game swing out, one slam swing out. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
benlessard Posted February 5, 2009 Report Share Posted February 5, 2009 AQxxxQxxQxAxx This imo is a great weak nt hand. Sure the H q is wasted but 2 ace Qx of diamond and a ♠Q that is worth a K. If partner passed 5H (showing slam interest) I would bid 5Nt (pick-a-slam). So i dont think its terrible if we missed slam and partner hold this. I would never pass 2Nt with Qxx of diamonds, I would pass xxx in diamonds only with wasted values. I would X 2nt with most good 14 with xx or less in diamonds. So passing 2 nt suggest holding a minimum opening. With further thought i see that protecting the Q♣ is just too huge. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rogerclee Posted February 5, 2009 Author Report Share Posted February 5, 2009 The actual hand was sort of a weird layout. 5♠ is down 2 on a crossruff, but 6♦ will make. Partner has: ♠QTxxx ♥Qxx ♦Qx ♣AKx Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
orlam Posted February 5, 2009 Report Share Posted February 5, 2009 Wow, well done Frances. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JLOL Posted February 5, 2009 Report Share Posted February 5, 2009 Yeah before I knew results I was gonna say Frances convinced me, it's probably not even close. It's weird I knew all the reasons spades would play bad and it didn't occur to me to NOT PLAY SPADES lol. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rogerclee Posted February 5, 2009 Author Report Share Posted February 5, 2009 Wow, well done Frances. Yes, a very good post by Frances. I thought pass and 5♠ was the best call, then Justin convinced me it was wrong, then Frances convinced me that everyone else was wrong. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JLOL Posted February 5, 2009 Report Share Posted February 5, 2009 Frances I think you implied you might like passing and passing a double. I think one big problem of that plan is that they might well be cold. It's not like we have overwhelming defense. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Finch Posted February 5, 2009 Report Share Posted February 5, 2009 Frances I think you implied you might like passing and passing a double. I think one big problem of that plan is that they might well be cold. It's not like we have overwhelming defense. I carefully didn't say at all what I was actually going to do. I worked out that it's right to play in diamonds, if we play the hand, and stopped there. But I agree that defending 5Hx does have exactly that risk. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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