jillybean Posted January 31, 2009 Report Share Posted January 31, 2009 [hv=d=s&v=n&n=sqj74ht6daj964c42&s=sak852haqj854d5c9]133|200|Scoring: IMP[/hv] West North East South - - - 1♥ 2♦ Pass Pass 2♠ 3♣ 3♠ Pass Pass 4♣ Dbl Pass Pass Pass Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hotShot Posted January 31, 2009 Report Share Posted January 31, 2009 South gets the blame. North passed 2♦ and now volunteers to bid 3♠. This should be a penalty dbl in ♦. Promising a good North hand.If you don't play that as penalty dbl in ♦, South is still strong enough to bid 4♠. Which will get North on the right track. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mbodell Posted January 31, 2009 Report Share Posted January 31, 2009 I'd assign the blame mainly to N. South has clearly shown a lot of strength/shape by bidding 2♠ going past hearts and not reopening with a double. South can't really know if 3♠ is a good hand (a penalty X of diamonds) or competitive (nothing much but some spades and a desire to not defend 3♣ or a desire not to let the opponents find out diamonds is their suit). Then over 4♣ the X sounds like a penalty to me. The South hand has somewhere between 2.5 and 4 defensive tricks against clubs. If partner wants to defend clubs and has another 1-2 tricks and we don't make 4♠ what can you do. I think N should have bid 4♠ not 3♠ over the 2♠ call (and over the 4♣ call too). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
neilkaz Posted January 31, 2009 Report Share Posted January 31, 2009 Blame 30% N, 70% S from me. First of all, South's hand is a monster of playing strength opposite even a shaded competitive raise. On the given sequence S has the easiest raise to 4♠ ever !I may be resulting the hand, but I think I'd also pull 4♣x to 4♠ here, but if S simply bids 4♠ the first time, these issues don't arise and that is where I assign almost all of his 70% blame. ADDED: South failed to realize the huge offensive nature of his 65er with two good suits. Seriously, had I held the S hand and missclicked a 1♠ opening and heard a 2♠ raise from PD, I'd not stop short of game. Had I opened 1♥ I have an easy reverse over a 1NT response, Had I opened 1♥ I am splintering over PD's 1♠ response. With all that in mind, it is really clear that South has a very easy 4♠ call here on the given auction. Now for North's bidding. North should ask himself what kind of hands South balances with a "reverse" to 2♠ with ? I'd bet that they aren't 4522 minimums. With that in mind, game is very likely, and while I don't like to hang PD for balancing, I think I'd do something more than 3♠ here..ie just blast to 4♠, or bid 3♦ (yeah yeah, ambiguous Q bid, but has to show quite a good hand for the previous pass and be highly GI) but I only give a bit of N's blame to the cautious 3♠ call. But what was N's double of 4♣ based on ? Can N really hold a hand that can raise ♠ and also pummel either 4m contract, but not have great play for 4♠ ?Quite unlikely.. so perhaps the double is "cooperative" or shows cards. However, as North, on the given bidding I clearly prefer to show may cards by bidding 4♠ over the opp 4♣ rather than doubling with two small trump. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dicklont Posted January 31, 2009 Report Share Posted January 31, 2009 Most North.He waited for the reopening double and it didn't come.He had to realise that South has a very good hand unsuitable for defense.Such good trumps plus an Ace is plenty to bid 4♠. OTOH South could have bid 4♥ because a weaker North hand (e.g. like ♠Qxxx 10x xxx xxxx) already produces game. In IMP scoring 4♠ is a good call. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jillybean Posted January 31, 2009 Author Report Share Posted January 31, 2009 Had I opened 1♥ I am splintering over PD's 1♠ response. Please clarify, over 1♥:1♠ are you spintering in ♥'s or ♠'s ? 1♥:1♠ 4m is a ♥ spinter isnt it? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
neilkaz Posted January 31, 2009 Report Share Posted January 31, 2009 Had I opened 1♥ I am splintering over PD's 1♠ response. Please clarify, over 1♥:1♠ are you spintering in ♥'s or ♠'s ? 1♥:1♠ 4m is a ♥ spinter isnt it? 1♥ opening, 1♠ by responder 4m by opener is a splinter supporting responder's suit, which is ♠. I'd make the lowest splinter which is 4♣ as I honestly would want to flash a slam signal noting we have at least 9♠ and that PD could be more than a min. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JLOL Posted January 31, 2009 Report Share Posted January 31, 2009 North had a 4S bid and south had a 4S bid. They are both really obvious but I guess south's was more obvious since he had game in his own hand so north 30 % and south 70 % Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jdonn Posted January 31, 2009 Report Share Posted January 31, 2009 North had a 4S bid and south had a 4S bid. They are both really obvious but I guess south's was more obvious since he had game in his own hand so north 30 % and south 70 % Hmm I think north's was more obvious. He had a slam try where he didn't bid game, south had a game bid where he didn't bid game. Then again I feel a bit silly even arguing who is more at fault since I agree both are extremely at fault. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jillybean Posted January 31, 2009 Author Report Share Posted January 31, 2009 Had I opened 1♥ I am splintering over PD's 1♠ response. Please clarify, over 1♥:1♠ are you spintering in ♥'s or ♠'s ? 1♥:1♠ 4m is a ♥ spinter isnt it? 1♥ opening, 1♠ by responder 4m by opener is a splinter supporting responder's suit, which is ♠. I'd make the lowest splinter which is 4♣ as I honestly would want to flash a slam signal noting we have at least 9♠ and that PD could be more than a min. Ooh, too much party last night. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fluffy Posted January 31, 2009 Report Share Posted January 31, 2009 Come on, open 1♠ with ♥+♠. If LHO knew about some "new" conventions, you might have had to bid spades at the 5 level. About the blame, not bidding 4♠ is very wrong on both sides, they both had TWO chances to do so and failed O_o. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
655321 Posted January 31, 2009 Report Share Posted January 31, 2009 Come on, open 1♠ with ♥+♠. If LHO knew about some "new" conventions, you might have had to bid spades at the 5 level.LOL. Jillybean, ignore the bad advice to open 1♠ with 5 spades and 6 hearts. Your 1♥ opening was correct. I don't know why people take every opportunity to plug their pet eccentric agreements, but in any case the BIF does not seem the place for it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Finch Posted February 1, 2009 Report Share Posted February 1, 2009 North had a 4S bid and south had a 4S bid. They are both really obvious but I guess south's was more obvious since he had game in his own hand so north 30 % and south 70 % Hmm I think north's was more obvious. He had a slam try where he didn't bid game, south had a game bid where he didn't bid game. Then again I feel a bit silly even arguing who is more at fault since I agree both are extremely at fault. I agree with this. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
P_Marlowe Posted February 1, 2009 Report Share Posted February 1, 2009 South should bid 4S. With kind regardsMarlowe Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skjaeran Posted February 1, 2009 Report Share Posted February 1, 2009 Both players had an obvious 4♠ bid here. I'll put more of the blame on south though, since it's totally lame not to bid 4♠ after partner raised to 3♠, and south did have the final decision. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Codo Posted February 2, 2009 Report Share Posted February 2, 2009 I agree with Frances, always a good idea. Espacially when she agrees with Josh. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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