jillybean Posted January 31, 2009 Report Share Posted January 31, 2009 Dealer: East Vul: EW Scoring: IMP ♠ AJ ♥ 9 ♦ A9873 ♣ AK954 West North East South - - Pass ? No offshape reverses allowed! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skjaeran Posted January 31, 2009 Report Share Posted January 31, 2009 For the time being I simply open 1♦ and await developments. Normally I rebid clubs at the lowest level next, but it depends on what happens. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
neilkaz Posted January 31, 2009 Report Share Posted January 31, 2009 For the time being I simply open 1♦ and await developments. Normally I rebid clubs at the lowest level next, but it depends on what happens. Yes this looks very routine to me. No manufactured reverses allowed. ie...Don't open 1♣ then reverse to 2♦ when 5-5 ! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cascade Posted January 31, 2009 Report Share Posted January 31, 2009 Open 1♦ and over any simple new denomination response through 1NT rebid 2♣. Over a 2♣ response raise to 4♣ (which is forcing and distributional - or perhaps just very strong - since we bypassed 3NT). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jillybean Posted January 31, 2009 Author Report Share Posted January 31, 2009 1♦:1nt (sayc, non forcing)still 2♣ ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skjaeran Posted January 31, 2009 Report Share Posted January 31, 2009 1♦:1nt (sayc, non forcing)still 2♣ ? Sure, rebid 2♣. The hand isn't worth more at the moment. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jillybean Posted January 31, 2009 Author Report Share Posted January 31, 2009 1♦:1nt (sayc, non forcing)still 2♣ ? Sure, rebid 2♣. The hand isn't worth more at the moment. I see I'm over evaluating again! I keep forgetting that 1♦, 2♣ can be 11-18 points and I have a partner. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JLOL Posted January 31, 2009 Report Share Posted January 31, 2009 I think bidding 3C after partner has bid 1N is totally fine since you have a guaranteed 9+ card fit in a minor. Definitely don't bid 3C over a 1M response though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mtvesuvius Posted February 1, 2009 Report Share Posted February 1, 2009 I think bidding 3C after partner has bid 1N is totally fine since you have a guaranteed 9+ card fit in a minor. Definitely don't bid 3C over a 1M response though. I agree. No manufactured reverses either. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cascade Posted February 1, 2009 Report Share Posted February 1, 2009 I think bidding 3C after partner has bid 1N is totally fine since you have a guaranteed 9+ card fit in a minor. Definitely don't bid 3C over a 1M response though. And a nine card fit is automatically enough for game? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mbodell Posted February 1, 2009 Report Share Posted February 1, 2009 I think bidding 3C after partner has bid 1N is totally fine since you have a guaranteed 9+ card fit in a minor. Definitely don't bid 3C over a 1M response though. And a nine card fit is automatically enough for game? No, but it should be enough for 4m and exploring games. Is 3m NF, F1, or GF in sa? I don't think it is defined in the SAYC booklet, but I would have thought it would be NF (but quite strong and not often passed). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JLOL Posted February 1, 2009 Report Share Posted February 1, 2009 I think bidding 3C after partner has bid 1N is totally fine since you have a guaranteed 9+ card fit in a minor. Definitely don't bid 3C over a 1M response though. And a nine card fit is automatically enough for game? Yes clearly that is what I said. Do you have anything to contribute or are you just trolling as usual? In bridge the value of things like SHAPE and CONTROLS are amplified when you have a FIT. This is especially true with a BIG fit, or a DOUBLE fit! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
P_Marlowe Posted February 1, 2009 Report Share Posted February 1, 2009 1♦:1nt (sayc, non forcing)still 2♣ ? Yes. After 2D, you can bid 3C, to show a nice hand with 5-5 in the minor. Partner should raise with 4 card support for either minorwith a max. hand, since the 2C rebid could be made with hands containing up to 17HCP. With kind regardsMarlowe Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
P_Marlowe Posted February 1, 2009 Report Share Posted February 1, 2009 I think bidding 3C after partner has bid 1N is totally fine since you have a guaranteed 9+ card fit in a minor. Definitely don't bid 3C over a 1M response though. And a nine card fit is automatically enough for game? Yes clearly that is what I said. Do you have anything to contribute or are you just trolling as usual? In bridge the value of things like SHAPE and CONTROLS are amplified when you have a FIT. This is especially true with a BIG fit, or a DOUBLE fit! But 11 tricks are a lot. With kind regardsMarlowe Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JLOL Posted February 1, 2009 Report Share Posted February 1, 2009 Partner should raise with 4 card support for either minorwith a max. hand, You don't need anything close to a max hand to make a game. For instance Kxx xxx xx xxxxx is an extraordinarily good game. A random Qxx xxx Kxx Qxxx is a great game. etc etc Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Codo Posted February 2, 2009 Report Share Posted February 2, 2009 I agree with Justin, 3♣ over 1 NT, 2 ♣ over 1 M. The playing strength is huge and 2 ♣ over 1 Nt a lazy bid. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Old York Posted February 2, 2009 Report Share Posted February 2, 2009 Hi If partner responds 1NT he is showing 6HCP and denies a 4 card major.If you rebid 3 Clubs, he will sign off with 3NT on any normal hand. This could be a disaster.If you realy feel that you have game strength or slam ambitions after partner's minimum response, then rebid 5 clubs and not give your partner a migraine. :blink: Tony Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Codo Posted February 2, 2009 Report Share Posted February 2, 2009 Sorry, I disagree.When you announced a strong two suiter, pd will not always bid 3 NT. And when you think that he will always bid it despite of the fit, then you can still bid 5 Club later. I think 5 Club now is a terrible bid and will confuse partner without having any merrits. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
keylime Posted February 2, 2009 Report Share Posted February 2, 2009 I'm the 1♦, rebid 3♣ camp if you hear a 1NT response. Over a major tho, 2♣. The "this hand doesn't fit well" motif would immediately crop up. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Old York Posted February 2, 2009 Report Share Posted February 2, 2009 I think 5 Club now is a terrible bid and will confuse partner without having any merrits. In the context of Beginner and Intermediate, I think that a jump to 5 describes the hand well. "Bid what you think you can make" Bidding 3 Clubs describes a 20 point hand with 5-4 minors, and may confuse partner more, but then I play a very natural style with a novice partner. Tony Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jdonn Posted February 2, 2009 Report Share Posted February 2, 2009 If you rebid 3 Clubs, he will sign off with 3NT on any normal hand. This could be a disaster. I don't know what you mean by a "normal hand", but if partner bids 3NT at this point with a major unstopped (unstead of bidding the major where he has strength) then he should get 20 lashes with a wet noodle. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Old York Posted February 2, 2009 Report Share Posted February 2, 2009 Hi Are we forgetting that opponents are sitting there with at least a 9 card Heart fit, in addition to an 8+ card Spade fit? Jumping to 5 Clubs is a practical bid, both constructive and pre-emptive Tony :) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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