TylerE Posted January 29, 2009 Report Share Posted January 29, 2009 [hv=d=n&v=b&s=shk86542d7ckq9643]133|100|Scoring: IMP1♠ - 1NT (Forcing)2NT (18-19 Bal) - ?[/hv] Nothing really forcing, no special gadgets. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jdonn Posted January 29, 2009 Report Share Posted January 29, 2009 I think you have to start with 2♥, it could be a big misfit but you have to take that chance. This type of problem was very foreseeable. Stuck in this position (meaning having no methods available) I'll take a total guess with 6♣. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TylerE Posted January 29, 2009 Author Report Share Posted January 29, 2009 Playing a sound 2/1 style, I thought 2♥ would be a pretty severe overbid. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mtvesuvius Posted January 29, 2009 Report Share Posted January 29, 2009 hmmm... 1NT has put us in an awful place, but idk of any scientific bid... 4♦? 5♦? 4♣? 5♥? I'll punt 6♣ also. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whereagles Posted January 29, 2009 Report Share Posted January 29, 2009 Hum... well, the only thing I can think of that could remotely show this hand is 5NT pick-a-slam. Too hard to find 7 anyway. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kenrexford Posted January 29, 2009 Report Share Posted January 29, 2009 Punt with 6♣??? If I'm doing anything insane, I'm trying 5NT. He will take this as "pick a minor slam." If he picks clubs (wow!), great. If he picks diamonds, I bid 6♥. But, what the Heck am I doing blasting this hand?!? Why not just bid 3♥ and then 6♣? Is that too easy? And, don't tell me that 3♥ is not forcing. I cannot imagine playing a system where I have no way to show hearts except bidding 4♥, just so I can play in 3♥ with a really weak hand. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jdonn Posted January 29, 2009 Report Share Posted January 29, 2009 Why not just bid 3♥ and then 6♣? Is that too easy? And, don't tell me that 3♥ is not forcing.Sorry! I won't tell you, but I'll let the original poster tell you: Nothing really forcing, no special gadgets. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ArtK78 Posted January 29, 2009 Report Share Posted January 29, 2009 I would have bid 2♥ on the previous round. Now, you are just forced to guess. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kenrexford Posted January 29, 2009 Report Share Posted January 29, 2009 Why not just bid 3♥ and then 6♣? Is that too easy? And, don't tell me that 3♥ is not forcing.Sorry! I won't tell you, but I'll let the original poster tell you: Nothing really forcing, no special gadgets. If the question is what to do if nothing is "really forcing," a term with which I am not familiar, then I suppose there is no sane answer. However, I think the question has a hidden assumption that is errant. 3♥ is "really" forcing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jdonn Posted January 29, 2009 Report Share Posted January 29, 2009 I have no idea what a 'hidden assumption' is. However you have two great clues that 3♥ is not forcing.- The poster said so.- If 3♥ were forcing this problem wouldn't be here since it would be an utterly obvious bid.So if you don't like the problem conditions, you should either complain about the conditions as you answer, not answer, or start another thread with different conditions. But I would think a lawyer wouldn't just read something and decide it means something else! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Echognome Posted January 29, 2009 Report Share Posted January 29, 2009 Under the conditions of the OP, I like 5NT if partner will understand pick-a-slam, otherwise I guess to bid 6♣. Under the "what fairly normal treatment you may want to consider" category, I would add playing transfers after a 2NT rebid. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rogerclee Posted January 29, 2009 Report Share Posted January 29, 2009 Playing a sound 2/1 style, I thought 2♥ would be a pretty severe overbid. LOL Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skjaeran Posted January 29, 2009 Report Share Posted January 29, 2009 Under the "what fairly normal treatment you may want to consider" category, I would add playing transfers after a 2NT rebid.I do play transfers after a 2NT rebid. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JLOL Posted January 29, 2009 Report Share Posted January 29, 2009 Hate starting with a 2/1, that is just way too likely to get you into trouble. Our options now seem to be 4H or 6C (I will assume that a partner with which I play NO CONVENTIONS won't understand 5N). Obviously it's a guess, I'd probably go with 6C. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fluffy Posted January 29, 2009 Report Share Posted January 29, 2009 I am thinking about 4♣, this has to be forcing, it won't help us much though. But if partner sings off in 4NT we have a shot with 5/6♥ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kenrexford Posted January 29, 2009 Report Share Posted January 29, 2009 I have no idea what a 'hidden assumption' is. However you have two great clues that 3♥ is not forcing.- The poster said so.- If 3♥ were forcing this problem wouldn't be here since it would be an utterly obvious bid.So if you don't like the problem conditions, you should either complain about the conditions as you answer, not answer, or start another thread with different conditions. But I would think a lawyer wouldn't just read something and decide it means something else! Actually, if you read my answer, that's what I did. 1. I said that I'd bid 5NT if forced into this nonsense. 2. I then said that bidding 3♥ is the sane approach. 3. I then specifically rejected the original proposition that 3♥ is not forcing, but rather "not really forcing," because that's stupid. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sireenb Posted January 30, 2009 Report Share Posted January 30, 2009 I am thinking about 4♣, this has to be forcing, it won't help us much though. But if partner sings off in 4NT we have a shot with 5/6♥I agree. Even if nothing is forcing 3♣ and 4♣ cannot both be non-forcing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gwnn Posted January 30, 2009 Report Share Posted January 30, 2009 Yes but over 4♣ and 4NT by pard how will we know which 2 aces he has? It is hardly likely the ♠A will help us, they will probably find the diamond lead. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the hog Posted January 30, 2009 Report Share Posted January 30, 2009 If nothing is really forcing, then 1NT was wrong. Josh, what is the matter with you today? Got up out of the wrong side of bed? You are arguing with everyone! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jdonn Posted January 30, 2009 Report Share Posted January 30, 2009 If nothing is really forcing, then 1NT was wrong. Josh, what is the matter with you today? Got up out of the wrong side of bed? You are arguing with everyone! Sorry mommy. I'll stop arguing about bridge and start calling out people who weren't talking to me for how they post, then I'll have good manners! Ok ok, I think it might seem worse than it is though since I have about 932 posts today. :) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trinidad Posted January 30, 2009 Report Share Posted January 30, 2009 I more or less agree with Ken. If the OP is right and nothing is really forcing, this is actually a very simple problem. 3♥ wouldn't be forcing, 4♣ wouldn't be forcing and indeed, 5NT wouldn't be forcing. So the question would just be: Knowing that your partner has an 18-19 balanced hand with 5 spades, which contract would you pick? You are forced to punt. The obvious answer is that 5♣, 6♣, 4♥ and 6♥ will all work some of the time and none all of the time. I am pretty sure that the OP is aware of this obvious answer. If his question would have been: "You are forced to punt, which contract would you pick?", he would likely have phrased it like that. The way I read the OP is: We don't have any agreements about 1♠-1NT; 2NT auctions (not even which bids are forcing). What would you bid in that case? Josh' answer is that he will punt, preferring the risk that he picks the wrong contract over the risk that partner will pass 3♥. Ken's answer is that he will bid 3♥, preferring the risk that partner will pass over the risk that he will pick the wrong contract. My answer would be that in this case, I wouldn't evaluate what cards I am holding. I would evaluate what kind of partner I have. If I think partner is a newbie (or an 'expert' :)) I will bid 6♣ and apologize if it turns out to be the wrong contract. Maybe afterwards, I will give him the tip that the best way to play after a 2NT rebid by opener is that everything is forcing to game, except for Pass. (I will do that when 6♣ was right and when ot was wrong.) If I expect that partner has a basic idea of priorities in bidding, I will bid 3♥, since I expect partner to bid on, even if he isn't sure whether my 3♥ was forcing. In this case, I will apologize, but there won't be a tip. When 3♥ worked, I figure that he knows what he is doing. If it doesn't (since he passed), his idea will be that I don't know how to evaluate a hand (making a NF bid on a 0616!), so he won't listen anyway. Since we play 1NT as forcing, I am going to assume that partner is not a newbie and I'll bid 3♥ at the risk of finding out that partner is an 'expert' :D. Rik Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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