mtvesuvius Posted January 26, 2009 Report Share Posted January 26, 2009 I played yesterday in a swiss teams and this board came up: NV vs V, with West dealing: (1NT*) - X** - (4♦***) - ?*15-17**Long Minor or Both Majors (Meckwell)***Texas Transfer 1. You have 2 opportunities to come in, what is the difference between bidding immediately and delayed bidding? You also have a X and 4♥ cuebid available here, what do they mean? What does a X of the forced 4♥ bid mean? 2. What do you bid with: ♠ Q8652♥ -------♦ 8542♣ 9653 This seems like a rarely discussed situation, I'm wondering what the common treatment is here... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kenrexford Posted January 26, 2009 Report Share Posted January 26, 2009 I usually play the double of a forcing call as takeout for the shown suit. Hence, a double of 4♦ would typically show this hand. The problem, of course, is that 4♦ could be profitably sent back when partner has long hearts, which would suck. But, that's life. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hanoi5 Posted January 26, 2009 Report Share Posted January 26, 2009 4NT. I'm betting pard has the minor. However he'd bid 5♠ if he doesn't, right? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phil Posted January 26, 2009 Report Share Posted January 26, 2009 4NT. I'm betting pard has the minor. However he'd bid 5♠ if he doesn't, right? LOL Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phil Posted January 26, 2009 Report Share Posted January 26, 2009 I think this is a great question. If we heard a 2♦ call a double would be "cards". Over 4♦, a double should be lead-directing I think. The realistic possibilities are: 1. Direct 4♠2. Pass and 4♠ over 4♥3. 4♥ In my opinion: #1 should be "all spades" #2 should be a weak pass or correct #3 should be a strong 4♠ or "correct"; pard has the option of doubling 5♥. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mtvesuvius Posted January 26, 2009 Author Report Share Posted January 26, 2009 In my opinion: #1 should be "all spades" #2 should be a weak pass or correct #3 should be a strong 4♠ or "correct"; pard has the option of doubling 5♥.This was exactly what I thought, so I passed then bid 4♠. However my partner strongly advocated bidding 4♥ here... Partner had Axx xx Axx KQTxx and passed my 4♠. When LHO showed up with 5♠ and LHO had the Jx of clubs that I guessed wrong... The result was -1400. Anyway, I'm interesting in hearing more thoughts on these options as this is something rarely discussed... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Echognome Posted January 26, 2009 Report Share Posted January 26, 2009 Partner had Axx xx Axx KQTxx and passed my 4♠. I don't understand. Partner didn't have both majors. Partner didn't have a long minor. Partner had a pass of 1NT. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mtvesuvius Posted January 26, 2009 Author Report Share Posted January 26, 2009 Partner had Axx xx Axx KQTxx and passed my 4♠. I don't understand. Partner didn't have both majors. Partner didn't have a long minor. Partner had a pass of 1NT. I thought so too... However my partner wouldn't let me get one word in about his double, seeing as I had just gone for 1400 by bidding what I thought was a pass or correct bid that he passed... Assuming DD play, 5♣ is -3 for -500, assuming partner had his bid means that 5♣ is -300. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bid_em_up Posted January 26, 2009 Report Share Posted January 26, 2009 Partner had Axx xx Axx KQTxx and passed my 4♠. I was going to ask if this qualified for a "long minor" as well (not being familiar with Meckwell). I am guessing that it does not from the answer above? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jdonn Posted January 26, 2009 Report Share Posted January 26, 2009 If your partner overcalled on that hand, I recommend not listening. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
neilkaz Posted January 26, 2009 Report Share Posted January 26, 2009 If your partner overcalled on that hand, I recommend not listening. I also recommend trying out a new partner and one who realizes that sometimes when you play gadgets like this, the opps interfere and that he should keep his know it all attitude under control when a bad result happens. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
peachy Posted January 26, 2009 Report Share Posted January 26, 2009 In my opinion: #1 should be "all spades" #2 should be a weak pass or correct #3 should be a strong 4♠ or "correct"; pard has the option of doubling 5♥.This was exactly what I thought, so I passed then bid 4♠. However my partner strongly advocated bidding 4♥ here... Partner had Axx xx Axx KQTxx and passed my 4♠. When LHO showed up with 5♠ and LHO had the Jx of clubs that I guessed wrong... The result was -1400. Anyway, I'm interesting in hearing more thoughts on these options as this is something rarely discussed... I saw both hands in your later post. Your partner did not have what he promised and then he blamed you for a bad result. I don't think you want this partner much longer. If you do, at least do not listen to him/her. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mtvesuvius Posted January 26, 2009 Author Report Share Posted January 26, 2009 In my opinion: #1 should be "all spades" #2 should be a weak pass or correct #3 should be a strong 4♠ or "correct"; pard has the option of doubling 5♥.This was exactly what I thought, so I passed then bid 4♠. However my partner strongly advocated bidding 4♥ here... Partner had Axx xx Axx KQTxx and passed my 4♠. When LHO showed up with 5♠ and LHO had the Jx of clubs that I guessed wrong... The result was -1400. Anyway, I'm interesting in hearing more thoughts on these options as this is something rarely discussed... I saw both hands in your later post. Your partner did not have what he promised and then he blamed you for a bad result. I don't think you want this partner much longer. If you do, at least do not listen to him/her. Yes, my partner is extremely argumentitive and is not exactly the greatest :)... We rarely play together, perhaps for good reason. Anyway, thanks for all your thoughts, I really appreciate them :). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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