Leads against opps 5HX

[jillybean]

[hv=d=e&v=n&n=s74h432dj87ca9832&w=sat9653hk6dq96ct6]266|200|Scoring: IMP[/hv]

 

West North East South

 

 -     -     1♥    1♠

 2♥    3♣    4♥    Pass

 Pass  4♠    5♦    Dbl

 5♥    Dbl   Pass  Pass

 Pass  

 

CT CA C7 C5

H2 H5 H8 HK

 

This is the auction love it hate it, the opps are in 5♥X.

How do you continue and your reasoning please!

[dicklont]

♠A and exit with ♥6.

Wait for ♦Q to come in.

 

When partner can be trusted he holds 5 clubs.

Declarers hand is 2-5-5-1 / 2-6-4-1 but probably with longer red suits and lesser spades.

I hope for one spade and cash it now I can.

 

It may be tempting to wait for 2 spade tricks, but that won't happen, at least one of dummy's spades will be discarded on a diamond.

[hrothgar]

Hi Kathryn:

 

I think you have the hand diagram transposed.

 

The hand that you are displaying as North was West

The hand that you are showing as East was South

[skjaeran]

Hi Kathryn:

 

I think you have the hand diagram transposed.

 

The hand that you are displaying as North was West

The hand that you are showing as East was South

Only in your head, I'm afraid.

 

Try to imagine that there's a square denoting the table or board or whatever in the upper right corner instead of the lower left corner, as you obviously are imagining. :)

[vuroth]

The forums really need to show the table when 2 hands to up like that. Always takes me a moment or two to puzzle it out.

[Phil]

I would just exit the heart. I rather doubt that RHO has 5 hearts to the AJTxx, but if that's the case I'll be endplayed when I win the ♦Q if I exit a club now.

 

Partner should not encourage clubs if holding the ♠K by the way. He knows that one can't cash if I have two.

[jillybean]

I truely messed up here.

I cashed my A♠, knew ♣'s wouldnt run again, I rarely know when to lead a trump, so I exited a ♦ , 5♥X=

 

When no more tricks are available a safe exit is better than a risky switch.

[bid_em_up]

Hi Kathryn:

 

I think you have the hand diagram transposed.

 

The hand that you are displaying as North was West

The hand that you are showing as East was South

Only in your head, I'm afraid.

 

Try to imagine that there's a square denoting the table or board or whatever in the upper right corner instead of the lower left corner, as you obviously are imagining. :)

Sorry Skaeran, my hand diagram shows the spade hand as East (not South) and the North hand holding clubs, at least according to any hand diagram that I have ever seen. (A9832♣ at top of diagram, A109653♠ on right side of diagram, just like hrothgar's does.

 

Now yes, you can reverse it, but for gods sake, why??

 

Either 1) the forums hand diagrammer transposes it, or 2) it was misentered.

 

I see this frequently as well. Sometimes it changes to what it "should" be on refreshing the page, and sometimes it does not.

[Trumpace]

Hi Kathryn:

 

I think you have the hand diagram transposed.

 

The hand that you are displaying as North was West

The hand that you are showing as East was South

Only in your head, I'm afraid.

 

Try to imagine that there's a square denoting the table or board or whatever in the upper right corner instead of the lower left corner, as you obviously are imagining. :)

Sorry Skaeran, my hand diagram shows the spade hand as East (not South) and the North hand holding clubs, at least according to any hand diagram that I have ever seen. (A9832♣ at top of diagram, A109653♠ on right side of diagram, just like hrothgar's does.

 

Now yes, you can reverse it, but for gods sake, why??

 

Either 1) the forums hand diagrammer transposes it, or 2) it was misentered.

 

I see this frequently as well. Sometimes it changes to what it "should" be on refreshing the page, and sometimes it does not.

Looks fine to me. Your hand is the South hand. Dummy is West.

 

If you are the opening leader, the dummy appears on your left. If you are South, the hand diagram shows you at the bottom. Combine the two, and that is what I see.

[bid_em_up]

Hi Kathryn:

 

I think you have the hand diagram transposed.

 

The hand that you are displaying as North was West

The hand that you are showing as East was South

Only in your head, I'm afraid.

 

Try to imagine that there's a square denoting the table or board or whatever in the upper right corner instead of the lower left corner, as you obviously are imagining. :)

Sorry Skaeran, my hand diagram shows the spade hand as East (not South) and the North hand holding clubs, at least according to any hand diagram that I have ever seen. (A9832♣ at top of diagram, A109653♠ on right side of diagram, just like hrothgar's does.

 

Now yes, you can reverse it, but for gods sake, why??

 

Either 1) the forums hand diagrammer transposes it, or 2) it was misentered.

 

I see this frequently as well. Sometimes it changes to what it "should" be on refreshing the page, and sometimes it does not.

Looks fine to me. Your hand is the South hand. Dummy is West.

 

If you are the opening leader, the dummy appears on your left. If you are South, the hand diagram shows you at the bottom. Combine the two, and that is what I see.

Just because you are seeing it correctly on your screen, does not mean that it appears the same way on ours. I assure you that it is incorrect on my screen.

[jdonn]

Just because you are seeing it correctly on your screen, does not mean that it appears the same way on ours. I assure you that it is incorrect on my screen.

Why not just post a screenshot so the silliness can end. To me it looks fine.

[bid_em_up]

Just because you are seeing it correctly on your screen, does not mean that it appears the same way on ours.  I assure you that it is incorrect on my screen.

Why not just post a screenshot so the silliness can end. To me it looks fine.

[hv=n=s74h432dj87ca9832&e=sa109653hk6dq96c106]266|200|This is what I see[/hv]

 

Now unless East opened 1H with this hand, something is wrong.

 

(I would post the screen shot, if I knew how.)

[jillybean]

Huh, East opened 1♥ and is delarer, you are looking at my hand (south) and dummy West, declarers hand (east) you dont see. The hand you are looking at supported ♥'s then bid 5♥ over 5♦x

[Trumpace]

Just because you are seeing it correctly on your screen, does not mean that it appears the same way on ours.  I assure you that it is incorrect on my screen.

Why not just post a screenshot so the silliness can end. To me it looks fine.

[hv=n=s74h432dj87ca9832&e=sa109653hk6dq96c106]266|200|This is what I see[/hv]

 

Now unless East opened 1H with this hand, something is wrong.

 

(I would post the screen shot, if I knew how.)

Interesting... do you really see that green table mat with the N,W,E,S written, in the orginal post? I don't (the html I get also does not seem to have any image link).

 

 

If you are using windows, to get a screen shot, you can use Alt+PrintScreen.

[jillybean]

I dont see the green table in my original post and fwiw, I only posted it the once, I did not update it.

 

Once youve taken a screen shot how do you post it here?

[Trumpace]

I dont see the green table in my original post and fwiw, I only posted it the once, I did not update it.

 

Once youve taken a screen shot how do you post it here?

This forum does not support attachments, but I think (haven't tried, though) you can get around that by uploading an avatar image, getting the url and using the IMG tag in a post. Or you just just put in on your own web server (if you have access to one) and post the url here..

 

If there are other ways, I would be glad to know.

[pretzalz]

http://www.techhouse.org/~pretzalz/bboforum.jpg

[Trumpace]

The below is a screenshot of the hand that I see.

 

 

http://puzzles.members.winisp.net/Bridge/Tools/ConfusingHandDiagram.png

 

The avatar upload idea seems to have worked, but be careful! It might overwrite your old uploaded avatar if you use the same extension (.gif, .jpg whatever).

 

 

[EDIT] Crap. Both the images seem to have disappeared now [/EDIT].

[EDIT] Restored avatar. [/EDIT]

 

Seems like the upload idea will only work if you are willing to use the posted screen shot as an avatar.

 

[EDIT] Restored screen shot by placing onto web server [/EDIT]

[jdonn]

Interesting, I don't see the green table mat (so I could easily imagine it on the bottom left or on the top right). I wonder why some see it and some don't.

[bid_em_up]

Interesting, I don't see the green table mat (so I could easily imagine it on the bottom left or on the top right). I wonder why some see it and some don't.

The green table mat is there because I used NORTHEAST to create the hand, it is not in the original post, and that is how it appears to me when I look at it (only without the mat).

 

And now I see that if I were to mentally place the mat here (using SOUTHWEST),

 

[hv=w=s74h432dj87ca9832&s=sa109653hk6dq96c106]266|200|Like this...[/hv]

 

that it would appear correctly, but without the mat, it does not look like this to me, and evidently I am not the only one.

 

(When I look at JB's diagram, I think the mat should go below the club suit, making it North, when evidently the mat should mentally be placed above the spade suit.)

 

For what its worth, JB's html uses "LEFTDUMMY" as the tag for hand formatting, instead of "SOUTHWEST" or NORTHEAST. Evidently, this tag leaves the table mat out.

 

{LEFTDUMMY=East,NS,IMP,74,432,J87,A9832,AT9653,K6,Q96,T6][/leftDUMMY}*

 

as opposed to:

 

"{SOUTHWEST=?????,????,Unknown,74,432,J87,A9832,A109653,K6,Q96,106]Like this...[/sOUTHWEST}"

[skjaeran]

Hi Kathryn:

 

I think you have the hand diagram transposed.

 

The hand that you are displaying as North was West

The hand that you are showing as East was South

Only in your head, I'm afraid.

 

Try to imagine that there's a square denoting the table or board or whatever in the upper right corner instead of the lower left corner, as you obviously are imagining. :P

Sorry Skaeran, my hand diagram shows the spade hand as East (not South) and the North hand holding clubs, at least according to any hand diagram that I have ever seen. (A9832♣ at top of diagram, A109653♠ on right side of diagram, just like hrothgar's does.

Funny seeing this post, later your post with the green table placed in the lower left corner and later your post showing that your post with the green table was something you made yourself, not what you actually saw.

 

I agree, og course, that posting correctly with the green table in the proper position is the clearly preferred way of doing things.

 

The original hand diagram wasn't clear, since the hands shown could be either NE or SW. Combined with dealer and the bidding it should be clear that it was SW. However, it's possible to get this wrong at a quick glance, if you mentally put the table in the wrong corner.

 

If your post was to demonstrate that it wasn't in Richard's head that this could happen, I'm sorry that you interpreted my generic 'your' (anyones head) to mean that Richard was the only one getting this wrong.

[jillybean]

Ah, I am using Waynes lin convertor which has an option for left or right dummy but not SW,SE,NE,NW - the SOUTH hand is always posted so it is easy to work out whats what.

 

Forum hand generator:

[hv=d=e&v=b&w=sakqjtxxxxxhdcakq&s=shakqjtxxxxxdakqc]266|200|Scoring: IMP[/hv]

 

LINCONVERTOR

[hv=d=s&v=e&n=sat9653hk6dq96ct6&w=sk8hajt98dakt32c5]266|200|Scoring: IMP[/hv]

 

West North East South

 

 -     -     -     1♥

 1♠    2♥    3♣    4♥

 Pass  Pass  4♠    5♦

 Dbl   5♥    Dbl   Pass

 Pass  Pass  

 

 

[1eyedjack]

I truely messed up here.

I cashed my A♠, knew ♣'s wouldnt run again, I rarely know when to lead a trump, so I exited a ♦ , 5♥X= 

 

When no more tricks are available a safe exit is better than a risky switch.

It probably was not necessary to switch to a trump. The only thing that you needed to focus on was to lead anything other than a Diamond. You have a certain Diamond trick as long as you don't lead them yourself. You only need that one trick to beat it and you are not certain of any other.

 

Personally I would have held off the Spade Ace early in the defence, in case it can beat something high, because it does not look like it is going away, but maybe cashing it when in with the diamond will be indicated. So I would have continued Club at trick 3 just to get off lead safely.