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Wow, I'm having a hard time imagining the hand that bids 3 into the face of a probable misfit and doesn't want to be in game most of the time.

 

Maybe I should ask, what is the meaning of this bid in Standard:

 

1 (1) 3?

Doesn't matter, either this one is weak or it is fit-showing, in either case there is no overlap with a hand with a very good suit that just isn't quite good enough to force to game. xx KQT9xx xx Axx.

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Wow, I'm having a hard time imagining the hand that bids 3 into the face of a probable misfit and doesn't want to be in game most of the time. 

 

Maybe I should ask, what is the meaning of this bid in Standard:

 

1 (1) 3?

Doesn't matter, either this one is weak or it is fit-showing, in either case there is no overlap with a hand with a very good suit that just isn't quite good enough to force to game. xx KQT9xx xx Axx.

With the hand you show I would bid 2 and then pass 3. I don't feel I have the strength to bid more. I feel I already used the 6th heart to get to a 2 call (instead of X or 3), and I'm not strong enough to push.

 

Maybe I'm in the minority here.

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Maybe I'm in the minority here.

Hmm, maybe you are. If you can't think of any way to tell for sure, maybe Phil, JLOL, Fluffy, PMarlowe, mtvesuvius, TimG, orlam, and myself can think of a way to tell.

 

:)

Are you saying that I should make a new thread on it, or are you saying that you feel confident that with the hand listed all of the people you mentioned would bid 2 then 3?

 

If you add a Q to the hand listed, I'd certainly bid 2 then 3, but we still wouldn't have any game across a 2-1-5-5 hand with no spade or heart stop. So there are clearly hands that should pass 3. Just not very many of them. :)

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I have no comment on what is standard.

 

However, I do of course have a comment, nonetheless.

 

IMO, this is a bad sequence for a weak jump into a new suit as the agreement. If 1-1-3 is the sequence, I think that the best meanings would include either fit-jump or splinter, or intermediate.

 

IF the latter is elected (3 shows a hand where I would bid 2 and then 3, meant as passable), a meaning I really like, personally, then 2...3 is forcing.

 

With a weak hand and long hearts, double and then bid hearts again.

 

The main benefit to the intermediate jump is when Advancer bids. I'd really like to make a one-bid call with one bid. A bid like 2 that is forcing but that may end with a rebid of 3 as non-forcing is really a one-bid hand (a 3 call) spread into two bids. I'd rather face the "what next" problem, if I have long hearts, when I have the stronger hand.

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I guess acol bidders will hate me (if they don't already) but with xx KQ109xx xx Axx, I think the standard bid is to double first then bid hearts (hopefully at a reasonable level).

 

I play NFB now so even if that is plain silly I don't do it any more.

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