TimG Posted January 25, 2009 Report Share Posted January 25, 2009 1♦-(1♠)-2♥-(P)3♣-(P)-3♥ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phil Posted January 25, 2009 Report Share Posted January 25, 2009 Not for me. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JLOL Posted January 25, 2009 Report Share Posted January 25, 2009 no Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fluffy Posted January 25, 2009 Report Share Posted January 25, 2009 I have no idea, non forcing makes more sense, but at this level I would just never pass just in case. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
P_Marlowe Posted January 25, 2009 Report Share Posted January 25, 2009 No. 3C did not promise add. strength, and hence 3C was not forcing. If opener wants to play game, he canfind another bid, if I want to play game,I have also another bids available. With kind regardsMarlowe Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mtvesuvius Posted January 26, 2009 Report Share Posted January 26, 2009 Nope Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jtfanclub Posted January 27, 2009 Report Share Posted January 27, 2009 Wow, I'm having a hard time imagining the hand that bids 3♥ into the face of a probable misfit and doesn't want to be in game most of the time. Maybe I should ask, what is the meaning of this bid in Standard: 1♦ (1♠) 3♥? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TimG Posted January 28, 2009 Author Report Share Posted January 28, 2009 General consensus seems to be that in order to force one needs to bid 3♠. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
orlam Posted January 28, 2009 Report Share Posted January 28, 2009 Wow, I'm having a hard time imagining the hand that bids 3♥ into the face of a probable misfit and doesn't want to be in game most of the time. Maybe I should ask, what is the meaning of this bid in Standard: 1♦ (1♠) 3♥? Doesn't matter, either this one is weak or it is fit-showing, in either case there is no overlap with a hand with a very good suit that just isn't quite good enough to force to game. xx KQT9xx xx Axx. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jdonn Posted January 28, 2009 Report Share Posted January 28, 2009 Wow, I'm having a hard time imagining the hand that bids 3♥ into the face of a probable misfit and doesn't want to be in game most of the time. I'm glad you agree that opener should pass this bid some of the time. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
helene_t Posted January 28, 2009 Report Share Posted January 28, 2009 1♦ (1♠) 3♥? Weak. I am sure some play it as fit-showing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jtfanclub Posted January 28, 2009 Report Share Posted January 28, 2009 Wow, I'm having a hard time imagining the hand that bids 3♥ into the face of a probable misfit and doesn't want to be in game most of the time. Maybe I should ask, what is the meaning of this bid in Standard: 1♦ (1♠) 3♥? Doesn't matter, either this one is weak or it is fit-showing, in either case there is no overlap with a hand with a very good suit that just isn't quite good enough to force to game. xx KQT9xx xx Axx. With the hand you show I would bid 2♥ and then pass 3♣. I don't feel I have the strength to bid more. I feel I already used the 6th heart to get to a 2♥ call (instead of X or 3♥), and I'm not strong enough to push. Maybe I'm in the minority here. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jdonn Posted January 28, 2009 Report Share Posted January 28, 2009 Maybe I'm in the minority here. Hmm, maybe you are. If you can't think of any way to tell for sure, maybe Phil, JLOL, Fluffy, PMarlowe, mtvesuvius, TimG, orlam, and myself can think of a way to tell. :) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jtfanclub Posted January 28, 2009 Report Share Posted January 28, 2009 Maybe I'm in the minority here. Hmm, maybe you are. If you can't think of any way to tell for sure, maybe Phil, JLOL, Fluffy, PMarlowe, mtvesuvius, TimG, orlam, and myself can think of a way to tell. :) Are you saying that I should make a new thread on it, or are you saying that you feel confident that with the hand listed all of the people you mentioned would bid 2♥ then 3♥? If you add a Q to the hand listed, I'd certainly bid 2♥ then 3♥, but we still wouldn't have any game across a 2-1-5-5 hand with no spade or heart stop. So there are clearly hands that should pass 3♥. Just not very many of them. :) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kenrexford Posted January 29, 2009 Report Share Posted January 29, 2009 I have no comment on what is standard. However, I do of course have a comment, nonetheless. IMO, this is a bad sequence for a weak jump into a new suit as the agreement. If 1♦-1♠-3♥ is the sequence, I think that the best meanings would include either fit-jump or splinter, or intermediate. IF the latter is elected (3♥ shows a hand where I would bid 2♥ and then 3♥, meant as passable), a meaning I really like, personally, then 2♥...3♥ is forcing. With a weak hand and long hearts, double and then bid hearts again. The main benefit to the intermediate jump is when Advancer bids. I'd really like to make a one-bid call with one bid. A bid like 2♥ that is forcing but that may end with a rebid of 3♥ as non-forcing is really a one-bid hand (a 3♥ call) spread into two bids. I'd rather face the "what next" problem, if I have long hearts, when I have the stronger hand. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fluffy Posted January 29, 2009 Report Share Posted January 29, 2009 I guess acol bidders will hate me (if they don't already) but with xx KQ109xx xx Axx, I think the standard bid is to double first then bid hearts (hopefully at a reasonable level). I play NFB now so even if that is plain silly I don't do it any more. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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