mr1303 Posted January 23, 2009 Report Share Posted January 23, 2009 [hv=d=w&v=e&s=sj9532hqj6dqjcq62]133|100|Scoring: IMP[/hv] 1H 1S 2C ? How many spades (if any?) do you bid. All players seem sensible so far to you, standard agreements in place (3S = pre-emptive) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Echognome Posted January 23, 2009 Report Share Posted January 23, 2009 Am really very tempted by 2-only spades, but at these colors I'm going to bid 3♠. I just hate that my hand is so defensive. (which is obviously part of the problem) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ArtK78 Posted January 23, 2009 Report Share Posted January 23, 2009 Normally, with 5 card support for partner's overcall, I bid 4♠. But on this balanced piece of trash, 3♠ seems like more than enough. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mtvesuvius Posted January 23, 2009 Report Share Posted January 23, 2009 3♠ for me also. Too much Defense, too little offense. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jdonn Posted January 23, 2009 Report Share Posted January 23, 2009 I bid 2♠ just to take away some of opener's cheap rebids. I don't want partner to take a sacrifice, and he is likely to do so at these colors, so I don't want to bid 3♠ even though I don't fear being doubled there. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JLOL Posted January 23, 2009 Report Share Posted January 23, 2009 I like 2 also, even 3 could be a bloodbath and we have enough random D that they may not have a game. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Benoit35 Posted January 23, 2009 Report Share Posted January 23, 2009 3 or 4♠, depending on the chemicals going through my veins. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mcphee Posted January 24, 2009 Report Share Posted January 24, 2009 While it is true my hand is a bit slow I can not bring myself to bash 3 saying I have trash, even though it's close to trash it does have some constructive features. I like the simple raise, 2S for me. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kenrexford Posted January 24, 2009 Report Share Posted January 24, 2009 I bid 2♠ just to take away some of opener's cheap rebids. I don't want partner to take a sacrifice, and he is likely to do so at these colors, so I don't want to bid 3♠ even though I don't fear being doubled there. Strangely, although I would bid 2♠ for this reason also, I am actually tempted to pass, because there is some merit to allowing Opener to have cheap rebids. This hand screams that I will be making the final decision. The more space I give everyone to describe their hands reliably, the more reliable the information upon which I may end up relying. If I jam the auction, even slightly, I convert opposition bidding into under-pressure bidding, and hence unreliable bidding. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gnasher Posted January 24, 2009 Report Share Posted January 24, 2009 There are three cue bids available between 2♣ and 3♠. Can't I use one of them to show a mixed raise? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hanoi5 Posted January 24, 2009 Report Share Posted January 24, 2009 3♠, maybe un-lawful but less awful than 4♠. I've learnt this the hard way though... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whereagles Posted January 24, 2009 Report Share Posted January 24, 2009 The hand's a load of rubbish. 2♠ for now, and I don't even know whether I'll go to 3♠ later... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Winstonm Posted January 24, 2009 Report Share Posted January 24, 2009 2S. I really don't want to encourage partner to do anything his own hand does not warrant. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trinidad Posted January 24, 2009 Report Share Posted January 24, 2009 I bid 2♠ just to take away some of opener's cheap rebids. I don't want partner to take a sacrifice, and he is likely to do so at these colors, so I don't want to bid 3♠ even though I don't fear being doubled there. Strangely, although I would bid 2♠ for this reason also, I am actually tempted to pass, because there is some merit to allowing Opener to have cheap rebids. This hand screams that I will be making the final decision. The more space I give everyone to describe their hands reliably, the more reliable the information upon which I may end up relying. If I jam the auction, even slightly, I convert opposition bidding into under-pressure bidding, and hence unreliable bidding.I see your point and I am thinking along the same lines. The one thing that I am afraid of is that if I pass, I will be on lead against 2♣. Quite a few play 2♣ as non forcing. The fact that you hold 9 HCPs (I know they are lousy, but they are still 9 HCPs that the other 3 players don't have) is a strong indication that your opponents may play this style. Rik Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
neilkaz Posted January 24, 2009 Report Share Posted January 24, 2009 I'll just make the simple raise to 2♠ not wanting to encourage PD to sac over 4♥ and having enough random defence that the opps maybe can't make a game. However, I don't hate 3♠, but do hate passing or 4♠. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jdonn Posted January 24, 2009 Report Share Posted January 24, 2009 I bid 2♠ just to take away some of opener's cheap rebids. I don't want partner to take a sacrifice, and he is likely to do so at these colors, so I don't want to bid 3♠ even though I don't fear being doubled there. Strangely, although I would bid 2♠ for this reason also, I am actually tempted to pass, because there is some merit to allowing Opener to have cheap rebids. This hand screams that I will be making the final decision. The more space I give everyone to describe their hands reliably, the more reliable the information upon which I may end up relying. If I jam the auction, even slightly, I convert opposition bidding into under-pressure bidding, and hence unreliable bidding. I definitely prefer pass to 4♠. I admit I prefer 3♠ to pass though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mr1303 Posted January 25, 2009 Author Report Share Posted January 25, 2009 Well, unsurprisingly, 4S was too high. Partner's hand was: [hv=s=sakq10xhxdkxxcj9xx]133|100|[/hv] Auction proceeded: 1H 1S 2C 3S (my choice)4H 4S all pass 4H and 4S were both 1 off. Can you fault partner for bidding 4S over 4H? It seemed perfectly reasonable to me. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fluffy Posted January 25, 2009 Report Share Posted January 25, 2009 partner's 4♠ seems automatic. I like 2♠ bcause this is almost constructive hand. With a queen less pass would be appealing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gnasher Posted January 25, 2009 Report Share Posted January 25, 2009 (edited) Can you fault partner for bidding 4S over 4H? Yes. He doesn't expect to make it, has some defence against 4♥, knows that the opponents may have had to guess, and doesn't have any reason to think 4♠ will be cheap. The traditional advice to "bid 4♠ over 4♥" doesn't mean that you shouldn't look at your hand and the auction first. Edited January 25, 2009 by gnasher Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JLOL Posted January 25, 2009 Report Share Posted January 25, 2009 What defense does he have? I would almost never expect to beat them. Also why can't it be a (double) make opposite a stiff club? Seems perfectly fine imo. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mike777 Posted January 25, 2009 Report Share Posted January 25, 2009 [hv=d=w&v=e&s=sj9532hqj6dqjcq62]133|100|Scoring: IMP[/hv] 1H 1S 2C ? How many spades (if any?) do you bid. All players seem sensible so far to you, standard agreements in place (3S = pre-emptive) I will try 2s...I got the boss suit and no shape. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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