jillybean Posted January 23, 2009 Report Share Posted January 23, 2009 Dealer: South Vul: All Scoring: IMP ♠ AJT9742 ♥ 7 ♦ ♣ K9865 West North East South - - - 1st position yourbid? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JLOL Posted January 23, 2009 Report Share Posted January 23, 2009 4S Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dicklont Posted January 23, 2009 Report Share Posted January 23, 2009 Agree with 4♠.Fast and simple, now it's their problem.Don't be surprised when you make 10 tricks, and some opps will even double! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the hog Posted January 23, 2009 Report Share Posted January 23, 2009 4S also Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
P_Marlowe Posted January 23, 2009 Report Share Posted January 23, 2009 Pass. The alternative being 4S, anything else is just sick,well maybe I am willing to listen to suggestions toopen 1S, but it will go from left to right ear, so you may just spare your breath for something else. With kind regardsMarlowe Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JLOL Posted January 23, 2009 Report Share Posted January 23, 2009 Pass. LOL Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jdonn Posted January 23, 2009 Report Share Posted January 23, 2009 Pass. The alternative being 4S, anything else is just sick,well maybe I am willing to listen to suggestions toopen 1S, but it will go from left to right ear, so you may just spare your breath for something else. With kind regardsMarlowe Pass is a lot sicker than some of the other 'alternatives'. 4♠, what in blazes are you waiting for! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikeh Posted January 23, 2009 Report Share Posted January 23, 2009 4♠ I heard last night about a hand that had A109xxxx x Qxxxx void and opened 4♠. Partner held KQJxx xxxx void Jxxx and jumped to 6♠. 4th chair doubled. The lead was the heart King and the only defence was to overtake and return the stiff trump.. when 4th chair failed to find the defence, declarer crossruffed for 12 winners That was a pretty sick 4♠ compared to this one... and I really don't see any alternative. The closest is 1♠, but you are never going to be able to show this hand, even if the opps stay out.. so get it off your chest. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jillybean Posted January 23, 2009 Author Report Share Posted January 23, 2009 I failed the test and opened 1♠, thinking I could bid ♣ next turn. Lead was ♦J , I LOVE this game! [hv=d=s&v=a&n=s853hq983dak87cj2&w=sq6hk6djt93caqt73&e=skhajt542dq6542c4&s=sajt9742h7dck9865]399|300|Scoring: IMP[/hv] West North East South - - - 1♠ 2♣ Dbl Pass 2♠ Pass 3♠ Pass 4♠ Pass Pass Dbl Pass Pass Pass Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mtvesuvius Posted January 23, 2009 Report Share Posted January 23, 2009 I failed the test and opened 1♠, thinking I could bid ♣ next turn. This is an easy 4♠ imo, but... Glad it worked out, Jilly :rolleyes:. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ArtK78 Posted January 23, 2009 Report Share Posted January 23, 2009 It didn't work out. 4♠x is down 1 at least, possibly 2 on a heart lead. Even a ♣A lead and continuation beats 4♠x one trick. If you open 4♠, there is almost no chance you will play it there doubled - either you will play it there undoubled or someone will bid over it and go down. Of course, if you are lucky enough to get a diamond lead you can get rid of your heart loser and your 5th club and negotiate the rest of the hand for 10 tricks. EDITED. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mtvesuvius Posted January 23, 2009 Report Share Posted January 23, 2009 It didn't work out. 4♠x is down 1. If you open 4♠, there is almost no chance you will play it there doubled - either you will play it there undoubled or someone will bid over it and go down. Yes... :( I thought that it would still make by leading a ♣ to the J, but now I see not. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jillybean Posted January 23, 2009 Author Report Share Posted January 23, 2009 Lucky is fine, after all others would have said "unlucky" if the opps had found a ♥ lead. I would like to understand why I wouldnt be able to show this hand after opening 1♠? If partner shows any ♠ interest I will bid 4♠ 1♠ (x) P 2♥ 3♣? 1♠ (2♥) is tricky Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ArtK78 Posted January 23, 2009 Report Share Posted January 23, 2009 It is not a question of showing your hand. It is a question of getting to a reasonable contract and preventing the opponents from getting to their correct contract. In all likelihood, 4♠ will be a reasonable contract for your side. You can construct hands where 4♠ is not a good contract for your side, and you can construct hands where clubs will be better - perhaps even making slam - but most of the time 4♠ will be fine. The main issue is that it is very likely that the opponents can make a lot of tricks in one or both red suits. You don't want them to discover that easily. Make them guess - they will often guess wrong. By the way, just because you open 4♠ doesn't mean you can't get to a good slam. You are vulnerable - you have to have a reasonable hand to open 4♠. You will almost never get to a good club slam by opening 4♠, but that is the way it goes. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mosene Posted January 24, 2009 Report Share Posted January 24, 2009 I bid 1♠. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jillybean Posted January 24, 2009 Author Report Share Posted January 24, 2009 I have had a few comments recently saying its bad bridge to open hands like this (75) 4♠. You will never have a rebid problem - you simply bid your second suit at the the next available level and that these hands are too good for a preempt.I will ask them to join the discussion. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
neilkaz Posted January 24, 2009 Report Share Posted January 24, 2009 I have had a few comments recently saying its bad bridge to open hands like this4♠. You will never have a rebid problem - you simply bid your second suit at the the next available level and that these hands are too good for a preempt.I will ask them to join this discussion. Players like myself think it is bad bridge to open 8 HCP hands with one card in the red suits at the 1 level :(. To me this hand screams for preemption so 4♠ it is. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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