Some more Redouble trouble

[mtvesuvius]

NV vs V at IMPs as dealer, you hold:

 

♠ AKQxxxx

♥ QJxx

♦ A

♣ x

 

You open 1♠, LHO doubles, Partner Redoubles... RHO bids 2♣, what's your plan, and how do you show this hand?

[rogerclee]

Kaplan'd

 

I'm probably bidding 3♠ once you add a card.

[mtvesuvius]

Kaplan'd

 

I'm probably bidding 3♠ once you add a card.

LOL... I had 7♠ there before :P... Edited now :)

[Finch]

I would pass (forcing), and then jump to 3S next round, showing a very good hand with long spades. Partner might have as little as Jx A10x xxxx Axxx and slam is still making.

 

Traditionally all immediate bids show a weak distributional hand, those strong in high cards pass first. So a 3S bid here directly over 2C is the same hand (say) without the ace of diamonds.

[JLOL]

I like 3S also, I think that you are overloading your pass if you pass with this and you're supposed to jump with a lot of shape and a good hand. You are still at risk of getting preempted if you pass and it seems like a silly auction to pass and then have to jump later to show your hand (you have used up all your room sometimes even if lefty is nice enough not to bid), and if you just pass and then bid the minimum number of spades you have not started to describe your hand well at all (as you would do that with hands that have less clear direction/shape and perhaps less strong than this as well).

[helene_t]

Would prefer to have a way of showing a good one-suiter immediately, but playing standard method I think I have to pass and pull.

[the hog]

I'd bid 3S now.

[brianshark]

Agree with Frances. Pass then 2♠ would show a stronger hand than 2♠ directly so presumably pass then 3♠ shows a better hand than 3♠ directly. I have no idea how good a hand that shows, but I have a very good hand so better use the strongest sequence I can think of. :D

[Codo]

I would not use 2 ♠ and 3 ♠ to show weak hands with long spades.

I think it is much more valuable to have just one bid for the weak hand and reserve 3 ♠ for a hand where you do not want to defend and your hand is really about spades.

[whereagles]

I might actually pass this. If pard dbls, I'll pull to 4♠ due to the likely club wastage. But if pard bids, say, 2♥, we might be on our way to slam.

[MFA]

I have never found the standard interpretation of having to start with a pass on all strong hands very good. It doesn't make sense to me, if the plan is to pull partner's double anyway.

 

Surely all jumps should be gameforcing with a pronounced one- or twosuiter. Then one could pass and await the developement on hands that are more unclear about strain.

[y66]

4C showing self-sufficient spades, club shortness and slam interest.

[mtvesuvius]

ok...

 

If you pass, LHO will bid 3♣ and partner will bid 3♦. Over your presumed 3♠ bid, partner will bid 4♠, do you move toward slam?

If you bid 3♠, partner will raise to 4♠. Do you move toward slam?

 

I will give what I did shortly... ;)

[jdonn]

I like 3S also, I think that you are overloading your pass if you pass with this and you're supposed to jump with a lot of shape and a good hand. You are still at risk of getting preempted if you pass and it seems like a silly auction to pass and then have to jump later to show your hand (you have used up all your room sometimes even if lefty is nice enough not to bid), and if you just pass and then bid the minimum number of spades you have not started to describe your hand well at all (as you would do that with hands that have less clear direction/shape and perhaps less strong than this as well).

I agree with what you are saying and that passing first really isn't a good method, but I still think it's standard that you have to pass first to show a good hand. I think bidding 3♠ now shows a weaker hand with lots of playing strength (this minus an ace?), but I fully agree I would like to be playing methods where I could bid 3♠ now.

[Rossoneri]

Tricky question. I faced a similar situation last weekend.

 

The risk of passing, I would think, would be that the auction could get too high by the time it comes back to you, but this hand is strong enough to stomach most possibilites.

 

I would say pass and bid 3♠, but I readily admit that I would be really, really tempted to bid 3♠ now and get scolded later by partner/teammates.

[gnasher]

4C showing self-sufficient spades, club shortness and slam interest.

Now that you've suggested it, 4♣ seems obviously best.

[H_KARLUK]

4♦

[mtvesuvius]

OK... I chose a 3♣ cuebid immeadiately. My partner bid 3NT, I bid 4♣, planning to rebid 4♠ or 5♠ and partner jumped to 6♦ with Jx Kxx KTxxxx Kx... LOL :). I corrected to 6♠ and the opponents cashed their 2 aces ofc... Oh well.