mtvesuvius Posted January 22, 2009 Report Share Posted January 22, 2009 IMPs, All Vul with LHO dealing: (2♠) - P - (3♠) - ? You Hold: ♠ 2♥ AQJT8♦ KJ♣ AQJ84 Your bid? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rogerclee Posted January 22, 2009 Report Share Posted January 22, 2009 I would double. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mtvesuvius Posted January 22, 2009 Author Report Share Posted January 22, 2009 I would double. OK... Partner bids 4♦, now what? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rogerclee Posted January 22, 2009 Report Share Posted January 22, 2009 I would double. OK... Partner bids 4♦, now what? LOL Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jillybean Posted January 22, 2009 Report Share Posted January 22, 2009 I would double. OK... Partner bids 4♦, now what? Find a new partner Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phil Posted January 22, 2009 Report Share Posted January 22, 2009 4♥. Take the money. Oh I can't wait for the Non Leaping Michaels crowd to start chirping about this one. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the hog Posted January 22, 2009 Report Share Posted January 22, 2009 OK. 4C non Leapin leaping Michaels.Otherwise X and bid 4H over 4D. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jdonn Posted January 22, 2009 Report Share Posted January 22, 2009 4♥. Take the money. Oh I can't wait for the Non Leaping Michaels crowd to start chirping about this one. I'll never stop either, 4♣ natural is almost totally useless. But if not playing it I double, and obv 4♥ over 4♦. Adam I hope you know why clee LOLed you :) after it starts X 4♦ then the second part is, how do you say, not exactly a problem! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JLOL Posted January 22, 2009 Report Share Posted January 22, 2009 I'll never stop either, 4♣ natural is almost totally useless. Not up to date on this stuff, is this sarcasm or have you actually started playing NLM? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Finch Posted January 22, 2009 Report Share Posted January 22, 2009 Just to explain all the sarcastic remarks about the 'problem' over partner's 4D bid: most experts now do not play double-then-bid-a-new-suit as a strong single-suiter after anything except a 1-level opening. On this hand, when you double 3S and then bid 4H over 4D, you aren't saying "I've got a single-suited heart hand that was too strong to overcall 4H", you are saying "I've got a take-out double with extra high card values and a fifth heart". Partner is quite at liberty to bid either 5C or 5D over this, both of them to play. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dicklont Posted January 22, 2009 Report Share Posted January 22, 2009 Just to explain all the sarcastic remarks about the 'problem' over partner's 4D bid: most experts now do not play double-then-bid-a-new-suit as a strong single-suiter after anything except a 1-level opening. On this hand, when you double 3S and then bid 4H over 4D, you aren't saying "I've got a single-suited heart hand that was too strong to overcall 4H", you are saying "I've got a take-out double with extra high card values and a fifth heart". Partner is quite at liberty to bid either 5C or 5D over this, both of them to play. Thx Frances,Not only for this enlightning comment but for your others too.It's always a pleasure to read your clear, well motivated and yet compact posts! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mtvesuvius Posted January 22, 2009 Author Report Share Posted January 22, 2009 Just to explain all the sarcastic remarks about the 'problem' over partner's 4D bid: most experts now do not play double-then-bid-a-new-suit as a strong single-suiter after anything except a 1-level opening. On this hand, when you double 3S and then bid 4H over 4D, you aren't saying "I've got a single-suited heart hand that was too strong to overcall 4H", you are saying "I've got a take-out double with extra high card values and a fifth heart". Partner is quite at liberty to bid either 5C or 5D over this, both of them to play.Thanks Frances :)... I Xed then bid 4♥ over 4♦, my RHO bid 4♠, I chose 5♣, all pass. Now for a little play problem... Where are the A and Q♦? [hv=d=w&v=b&n=sj4hk2dt9762ckt95&s=s2haqjt8dkjcaqj84]133|200|Scoring: IMPT♠ Lead, RHO wins with the Ace, and returns the 3♠ which you ruff and LHO plays the 5♠. Your opponents play UDCA and Std. Leads. How do you play the ♦ suit?[/hv] Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tomi2 Posted January 22, 2009 Report Share Posted January 22, 2009 Just to explain all the sarcastic remarks about the 'problem' over partner's 4D bid: most experts now do not play double-then-bid-a-new-suit as a strong single-suiter after anything except a 1-level opening. On this hand, when you double 3S and then bid 4H over 4D, you aren't saying "I've got a single-suited heart hand that was too strong to overcall 4H", you are saying "I've got a take-out double with extra high card values and a fifth heart". Partner is quite at liberty to bid either 5C or 5D over this, both of them to play.Thanks Frances :)... I Xed then bid 4♥ over 4♦, my RHO bid 4♠, I chose 5♣, all pass. Now for a little play problem... Where are the A and Q♦? [hv=d=w&v=b&n=sj4hk2dt9762ckt95&s=s2haqjt8dkjcaqj84]133|200|Scoring: IMPT♠ Lead, RHO wins with the Ace, and returns the 3♠ which you ruff and LHO plays the 5♠. Your opponents play UDCA and Std. Leads. How do you play the ♦ suit?[/hv] i check the clubs and probably the hearts too, if rho also has a club singleton then i will for sure play him not to have the ace of spades, ace of dias and a shortnes and not to bid game directly Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mtvesuvius Posted January 22, 2009 Author Report Share Posted January 22, 2009 Just to explain all the sarcastic remarks about the 'problem' over partner's 4D bid: most experts now do not play double-then-bid-a-new-suit as a strong single-suiter after anything except a 1-level opening. On this hand, when you double 3S and then bid 4H over 4D, you aren't saying "I've got a single-suited heart hand that was too strong to overcall 4H", you are saying "I've got a take-out double with extra high card values and a fifth heart". Partner is quite at liberty to bid either 5C or 5D over this, both of them to play.Thanks Frances :)... I Xed then bid 4♥ over 4♦, my RHO bid 4♠, I chose 5♣, all pass. Now for a little play problem... Where are the A and Q♦? [hv=d=w&v=b&n=sj4hk2dt9762ckt95&s=s2haqjt8dkjcaqj84]133|200|Scoring: IMPT♠ Lead, RHO wins with the Ace, and returns the 3♠ which you ruff and LHO plays the 5♠. Your opponents play UDCA and Std. Leads. How do you play the ♦ suit?[/hv] i check the clubs and probably the hearts too, if rho also has a club singleton then i will for sure play him not to have the ace of spades, ace of dias and a shortnes and not to bid game directly Upon playing clubs, LHO has 1, RHO has 3.LHO has 2♥, RHO has 4. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JLOL Posted January 22, 2009 Report Share Posted January 22, 2009 Since nobody would lead the ten from KQT (LOL?), looks like RHO has AQ of spades. This would incline me to play LHO for the DA. Psychologically there are some people who I would expect to always shift to a low diamond from the ace at trick 2 but they're pretty rare so I wouldn't take that inference too strongly. There are also some people I would expect to never shift from the DA, and they might from the queen so that is a possible clue for RHO having the ace, but again I wouldn't take that too strongly since diamonds cant go anywhere. There are also people who would never preempt with a side ace so I guess you could ask about their weak 2 style. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mtvesuvius Posted January 22, 2009 Author Report Share Posted January 22, 2009 I guess you could ask about their weak 2 style. I did ask... Answer: Undisciplined. I had never played against these opps before. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JLOL Posted January 22, 2009 Report Share Posted January 22, 2009 Which one of them said undisciplined? If this was in real life and the opps said undisciplined and were strong enough to know that it was gonna come down to the diamond guess then I would assume LHO had the ace (otherwise they usually say something less blunt than undisciplined lol). Anyways you just have to guess based on whatever clues you had at the table, just try to consider every clue you have (like what country they're from, what their skill level/conventions say in their BBO profile, etc etc) and make the best decision you can, kinda tough to answer it on a forum. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jdonn Posted January 22, 2009 Report Share Posted January 22, 2009 I'll never stop either, 4♣ natural is almost totally useless. Not up to date on this stuff, is this sarcasm or have you actually started playing NLM? I guess you aren't up to date. I'm pretty sure I'm the strongest advocate for that convention on the forums. My comment about 4♣ wasn't sarcastic but was an exageration, before you want to LOL me or something... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mtvesuvius Posted January 22, 2009 Author Report Share Posted January 22, 2009 Which one of them said undisciplined? If this was in real life and the opps said undisciplined and were strong enough to know that it was gonna come down to the diamond guess then I would assume LHO had the ace (otherwise they usually say something less blunt than undisciplined lol). Anyways you just have to guess based on whatever clues you had at the table, just try to consider every clue you have (like what country they're from, what their skill level/conventions say in their BBO profile, etc etc) and make the best decision you can, kinda tough to answer it on a forum. Thanks Justin (I assume?) :). You got it right, and I of course played RHO for the A♦ and went down... Well done :). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldman5757 Posted January 22, 2009 Report Share Posted January 22, 2009 Since nobody would lead the ten from KQT (LOL?), looks like RHO has AQ of spades. This would incline me to play LHO for the DA. Agree. Hard to find a weak 2 for W that doesn't include the ♦ A. B) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Recommended Posts