TylerE Posted January 21, 2009 Report Share Posted January 21, 2009 Playing sound 2/1 style. What's you[hv=d=n&v=n&s=sqhakjxxxdacaqxxx]133|100|Scoring: IMPp-(p)-1♥-(p)1♠-(2♦)-? [/hv] Once you've decided on your first bid, read this hidden: W will bid 3♦ or 4♦ if able. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jdonn Posted January 21, 2009 Report Share Posted January 21, 2009 4♣. I have clubs so I bid them, I have a really good hand so I jump. And by my agreements I am not worried about partner taking it as a splinter since when they overcall I can only splinter in their suit. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mtvesuvius Posted January 21, 2009 Report Share Posted January 21, 2009 OK... Why did I open this 1♥? This is the exact rebid problem that I would hate to have... 4♣ is a splinter, 5♣ sounds like exclusion, 3♣ is NF! I think I will bid 3♦, then rebid 6♣ maybe... I'm not sure :D Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Finch Posted January 21, 2009 Report Share Posted January 21, 2009 4♣. I have clubs so I bid them, I have a really good hand so I jump. And by my agreements I am not worried about partner taking it as a splinter since when they overcall I can only splinter in their suit. me2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TylerE Posted January 21, 2009 Author Report Share Posted January 21, 2009 What if you had the agreement that 3♣ is forcing. (Meta-agreement...new suit by UPH 100% forcing). (And yes, it was this exact doubt that led to the somewhat comical (but lucky!) auction that resulted. I won't give the full auction (yet), but I'll just say I found Kx of ♣ onside in the grand... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mike777 Posted January 21, 2009 Report Share Posted January 21, 2009 Playing sound 2/1 style. What's you[hv=d=n&v=n&s=sqhakjxxxdacaqxxx]133|100|Scoring: IMPp-(p)-1♥-(p)1♠-(2♦)-? [/hv] Once you've decided on your first bid, read this hidden: W will bid 3♦ or 4♦ if able. 3c, and yes I would have opened this 2c with this two suiter if allowed. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skjaeran Posted January 21, 2009 Report Share Posted January 21, 2009 4♣ natural and strong, as Josh and Frances. 3♣ would also be forcing, of course, but not showing THIS hand. Agree with 1♥ opening. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TylerE Posted January 21, 2009 Author Report Share Posted January 21, 2009 Ok, I suppose I should now own up to the actual horrible auction I perpetrated. p-(p)-1♥-(p)1♠-(2♦)-3♦-(4♦)4♠-(p)-6♣-(p)7♣-AP Partner held: [hv=s=sakxxxhqtdxxctxxx]133|100|Sometimes it's better to be lucky than good...[/hv] Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whereagles Posted January 21, 2009 Report Share Posted January 21, 2009 2NT good-bad. Obviously the good variety :) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mtvesuvius Posted January 21, 2009 Report Share Posted January 21, 2009 So you bid it the same way I did? :) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phil Posted January 22, 2009 Report Share Posted January 22, 2009 Is 3♣ forcing? uh no. So 4♣ isn't a splinter. Got it? Isn't it nice to have a descriptive bid available? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skjaeran Posted January 22, 2009 Report Share Posted January 22, 2009 Is 3♣ forcing? uh no. Unless you play GB2NT or something similar (or maybe stone age Acol?), 3♣, a new suit at the 3-level, is forcing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JLOL Posted January 22, 2009 Report Share Posted January 22, 2009 Is 3♣ forcing? uh no. Unless you play GB2NT or something similar (or maybe stone age Acol?), 3♣, a new suit at the 3-level, is forcing. Huh? Very very strongly disagree. Honestly I only didn't LOL because I have a lot of respect for skaeran, but this is not true. You cannot pass with a 55 15/16 count for instance, but you also don't have enough to force. You CAN cuebid if you want to force (or jump shift with 4C). As Clee pointed out in a recent thread, the "new suit is forcing at the 3 level" rule only responds to responders, not openers or overcallers. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
orlam Posted January 22, 2009 Report Share Posted January 22, 2009 Is 3♣ forcing? uh no. Unless you play GB2NT or something similar (or maybe stone age Acol?), 3♣, a new suit at the 3-level, is forcing. Huh? Very very strongly disagree. Honestly I only didn't LOL because I have a lot of respect for skaeran, but this is not true. You cannot pass with a 55 15/16 count for instance, but you also don't have enough to force. You CAN cuebid if you want to force (or jump shift with 4C). As Clee pointed out in a recent thread, the "new suit is forcing at the 3 level" rule only responds to responders, not openers or overcallers. Thanks, I was really confused for a second! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MarkDean Posted January 22, 2009 Report Share Posted January 22, 2009 I agree with the gerber bidders. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Finch Posted January 22, 2009 Report Share Posted January 22, 2009 Is 3♣ forcing? uh no. Unless you play GB2NT or something similar (or maybe stone age Acol?), 3♣, a new suit at the 3-level, is forcing. Huh? Very very strongly disagree. Honestly I only didn't LOL because I have a lot of respect for skaeran, but this is not true. You cannot pass with a 55 15/16 count for instance, but you also don't have enough to force. You CAN cuebid if you want to force (or jump shift with 4C). As Clee pointed out in a recent thread, the "new suit is forcing at the 3 level" rule only responds to responders, not openers or overcallers. Just to avoid any further confusion... A new suit at the 3-level by opener in an uncontested auction is forcing. What's different here is that opener can't bid his clubs any other way, and won't want to pass over the overcall with any decent 5-5. If you play good/bad 2NT here, then usually even the 'good' 3C bid is not played as forcing: the advantage of g/b is that you can distinguish both a minimum distributional hand and a full constructive values hand. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whereagles Posted January 22, 2009 Report Share Posted January 22, 2009 So you bid it the same way I did? :) what's your way? :) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mtvesuvius Posted January 22, 2009 Report Share Posted January 22, 2009 So you bid it the same way I did? :) what's your way? :) I bid 3♦, then jumped to 6♣... Not very scientific, but it paints a rough picture of my hand. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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