inquiry Posted February 3, 2009 Report Share Posted February 3, 2009 As a tournament host you do not have any right to decide what a player's re-double means, unless it is an obvious sabotage bid. I was directing a individual tournement when I saw this auction: (1♣) - 7♣ - (X) - P(P) - XX - (P) - P(P)... I adjusted the board after declarer went for -4000, this was a problem because I wanted to leave the score for the 7♣ bidder and the opponents and adjust it for his partner. The TD software does not allow it, so I have an Ave- to the 7♣ bidder, and warned him to never do it again or he would be barred and subbed on the spot... I was wondering if there was a way to give a different score for each of the players? Anyway... As for hat you named the tournement, I have occaisionally used the term in private, but never in public, as it can easily be offensive... submit the player name and date of the hand to abuse at bridge base dot com. The person doing this in a tournament will have trouble playing in ANY tournaments for a while. Repeat performances and it is possible they will never play in any tournaments on BBO again. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gerardo Posted February 4, 2009 Report Share Posted February 4, 2009 I adjusted the board after declarer went for -4000, this was a problem because I wanted to leave the score for the 7♣ bidder and the opponents and adjust it for his partner. I don't think this is legal, anyway. Poor bidder partner is stuck with it. Any result (and also PPs) are assigned on a pair pasis, even in an individual. Please correct me if wrong. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blackshoe Posted February 4, 2009 Report Share Posted February 4, 2009 Not quite. in individual events the director enforces the rectifications in these Laws and the provisions requiring the award of adjusted scores equally against both members of the offending side, even though only one of them may be responsible for the irregularity. But the director shall not award a procedural penalty against the offender’s partner if of the opinion that offender’s partner is in no way to blame. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
H_KARLUK Posted February 4, 2009 Report Share Posted February 4, 2009 My goals as a TD : To give courage for Bridge addicts it's nice to follow FAIRPLAY & POLITE COMPANY & SPORTMANSHIP SPIRIT. Sometimes I scare. I feel no need to type for a blind. Anyways my responsibilty is as a TD to keep th unity in a peaceful way. Everything nicely fixed by system. Then I have no idea why some people still ignore. I believe reading a must. But practically I see no way to force. It all depends goodwill. On free pairs I do not see much behavioral confliction between contestants. Unfortunately individuals a bit unusual. I forgot how many player I saw upset and bid 7Nxx with their junk cards. Also I do not want to remember how many complaints i received about abuse issues during session. Tho I remind procedure and giving link showing "what and how to do" I am still unsure it works. Th problem is being busy with extra and irrelevant things on a running tournament. I do not really wish to be picky but seems soon I have to create my tournaments "for members only". I still do not want to believe myself. If th reason is "chat" button..Omg. Without that small window th game would not be social anymore. It's really easy to keep the silence removing that option under any software. It's a thing like a "dynamite". I bet r.i.p Mr Alfred Nobel did not invent it for destroy purposes. But it's a fact that later on turned out to supply damages. Trying to belittle others, negative traits, only relaxing when in top dog. Sarcasm, arrogance. Not my cup of tea. I am sorry for such players who they feel better. Hey, this game is still nice. I assure no need such toys. Just honestly try to test your skills. It's indeed fine. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gerardo Posted February 4, 2009 Report Share Posted February 4, 2009 Thanks Ed. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UdcaDenny Posted February 4, 2009 Author Report Share Posted February 4, 2009 I didnt post here to get a discussion about funny redoubles. The reason I did this is that I never got a warning from abuse or a second chance. They never answered my mails 3 years ago and same now, been waiting 2 weeks. Even if this Forum is not the right place I do this because I feel ignored and harsh judged. udcadenny Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jillybean Posted February 4, 2009 Report Share Posted February 4, 2009 Sounds to me there could have been more going on that just the title of your tournament. If you arent getting a response to your emails, posting in this forumgives you a method of venting but likely wont help your cause.I know first hand how things can be misconstrued on the internet and it is often equally difficult to sort things out online. Frustrating and unfair? possibly but this isnt going to help. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sceptic Posted February 8, 2009 Report Share Posted February 8, 2009 I have asked for forgiveness and wanting to know how long time my punishement will last but I never get any answers Maybe this is the issue (I have a great deal of respect for BBO and would not critisie them for thier decision), But, I actually can see this guys point, we all hate being ignored (if this is the case, if it is not the case, then I am not sure what OP is trying to achieve) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
matmat Posted February 8, 2009 Report Share Posted February 8, 2009 I have asked for forgiveness and wanting to know how long time my punishement will last but I never get any answers Maybe this is the issue (I have a great deal of respect for BBO and would not critisie them for thier decision), But, I actually can see this guys point, we all hate being ignored (if this is the case, if it is not the case, then I am not sure what OP is trying to achieve) Or maybe the OP needs to grow up and learn to take "No" as an answer. You don't know what the situation is, Wayne (I don't either), but maybe they've already answered him early on and now don't want to deal with the hounding so ignore him? who knows. as far as I am concerned, if you have some sort of a privilege and overstep certain boundaries, you forfeit your right to that privilege and it is well within the granting agent's rights to permanently deny it to you. Grovelling and complaining should not have an impact on this decision. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
qwery_hi Posted February 8, 2009 Report Share Posted February 8, 2009 I have asked for forgiveness and wanting to know how long time my punishement will last but I never get any answers Maybe this is the issue (I have a great deal of respect for BBO and would not critisie them for thier decision), But, I actually can see this guys point, we all hate being ignored (if this is the case, if it is not the case, then I am not sure what OP is trying to achieve) Or maybe the OP needs to grow up and learn to take "No" as an answer. You don't know what the situation is, Wayne (I don't either), but maybe they've already answered him early on and now don't want to deal with the hounding so ignore him? who knows. as far as I am concerned, if you have some sort of a privilege and overstep certain boundaries, you forfeit your right to that privilege and it is well within the granting agent's rights to permanently deny it to you. Grovelling and complaining should not have an impact on this decision. Agree 100%. BBO has no obligation to explain itself either if it feels it has no need to. There are no chains binding members to BBO. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1eyedjack Posted February 9, 2009 Report Share Posted February 9, 2009 Agree 100%. BBO has no obligation to explain itself either if it feels it has no need to. There are no chains binding members to BBO. Whether BBO has an obligation to respond, and whether it is sensible, courteous or even in its best interests to respond, do not necessarily coincide. I don't think that anyone would dispute that BBO has no obligation to respond. Nevertheless, courtesy ranks highly in the priorities of the proprieties and ethics of the game, both at the table and away from it, as does the concept of fairness. It would not hurt BBO set a good example in these areas. We have of course only heard one side of the story, but if the facts are fairly presented by OP then in my opinion BBO has fallen short of those standards. That is of course a big "if". Indeed, courtesy aside, I doubt that BBO relishes getting bombarded by emails from the OP, nor having its linen washed in this thread, both of which could have been avoided by simply responding to the simple requests for information that had been put to it by OP while the matter was still entirely private. So in my opinion it fails the "best interests" and "sensible" tests as well the "courtesy" test (again subject to that "IF"). As to the question of "fairness", again subject to the facts has presented being full and frank, in my opinion a lifetime ban (if it is a lifetime ban) is not a "fair" punishment for the reported crime, despite, as I said before, that BBO is technically within its rights to impose it. That is of course purely a personal opinion. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
helene_t Posted February 9, 2009 Report Share Posted February 9, 2009 I know Denny as a nice guy and it makes me sad to read this thread. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
G_R__E_G Posted February 9, 2009 Report Share Posted February 9, 2009 Nevertheless, courtesy ranks highly in the priorities of the proprieties and ethics of the game, both at the table and away from it, as does the concept of fairness. It would not hurt BBO set a good example in these areas. I have dealt with many companies over the years and NONE set a better example of these things than BBO. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
qwery_hi Posted February 9, 2009 Report Share Posted February 9, 2009 Nevertheless, courtesy ranks highly in the priorities of the proprieties and ethics of the game, both at the table and away from it, as does the concept of fairness. It would not hurt BBO set a good example in these areas. I have dealt with many companies over the years and NONE set a better example of these things than BBO. Yes, Kudos to Fred and the BBO team Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1eyedjack Posted February 9, 2009 Report Share Posted February 9, 2009 Indeed, in general I agree. I guess everyone should be allowed to fall from grace on the odd occasion. Saying that BBO generally sets a good example is one thing. Saying that this case is an example of setting a good example is another. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sceptic Posted February 9, 2009 Report Share Posted February 9, 2009 I have asked for forgiveness and wanting to know how long time my punishement will last but I never get any answers Maybe this is the issue (I have a great deal of respect for BBO and would not critisie them for thier decision), But, I actually can see this guys point, we all hate being ignored (if this is the case, if it is not the case, then I am not sure what OP is trying to achieve) Or maybe the OP needs to grow up and learn to take "No" as an answer. You don't know what the situation is, Wayne (I don't either), but maybe they've already answered him early on and now don't want to deal with the hounding so ignore him? who knows. as far as I am concerned, if you have some sort of a privilege and overstep certain boundaries, you forfeit your right to that privilege and it is well within the granting agent's rights to permanently deny it to you. Grovelling and complaining should not have an impact on this decision. can't argue with your logic Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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