jillybean Posted January 17, 2009 Report Share Posted January 17, 2009 Dealer: South Vul: EW Scoring: IMP ♠ A ♥ Q2 ♦ K8643 ♣ AKT98 West North East South - - - 1♦ 2♠ Pass 3♥ Pass 3♠ Dbl Pass Pass Pass I think these were good passes, how would you have bid?Note; I didnt open 1♣ and 'reverse' :) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fred Posted January 17, 2009 Report Share Posted January 17, 2009 Hey Jilly, You bid (and Passed) you hand perfectly - well done :) Fred GitelmanBridge Base Inc.www.bridgebase.com Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jdonn Posted January 17, 2009 Report Share Posted January 17, 2009 Fred is definitely correct. You properly opened the higher suit in a 5-5 hand. Then with your opponents bidding at a high level, your partner passing, and your minors against their majors, you very smartly realized this hand was going nowhere for you and going there in a hurry, so you passed. Then your partner made a penalty double, which you were (hopefully) thrilled to pass with your undisclosed extra values and trump ace. Perfect every round. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gerben42 Posted January 17, 2009 Report Share Posted January 17, 2009 Well bid, this hand looks like a success story, partner doubled and you have trump Ace, and in addition a surprising AK in a side suit. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kenberg Posted January 17, 2009 Report Share Posted January 17, 2009 I certainly agree with what has been said and I can't imagine that I would have bid this differently. Still, disaster may be looming. Since you are posting this, I suppose that may be why. If I am red against white I don't bid 2S without a pretty decent suit. Missing the ace, I will have the KQJxxx at least. If that's it for the suit, a little on the side would be welcome. Shifting seats, if I were to bid 3H opposite my partner's vulnerable 2S it would be a constructive bid with good hearts and a tolerance for partner's possible 3S rebid, not a run. Everyone here seems to have a good hand. Nonetheless I have everything and more that partner could reasonably hope for so I pass. Actually I don't think this double all that much asks for my opinion. Only if I really just opened on shape would I pull. Someone at the table is very optimistic about his hand. I hope that it isn't partner. Further, any run could be a disaster. Partner needs long spades for his double. Unless they have missed a huge heart fit partner has some hearts. There is no reason to think 4 of either minor is playable and good reason to think that 3S is going down a couple of tricks at least. Trust your partner, not the opponents is good advice but it works out better with some partners than with others. And sometimes there is just bad luck. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jillybean Posted January 17, 2009 Author Report Share Posted January 17, 2009 As it happens, no disaster followed and this was one of my good hands for a change. I thought it was a good follow up to the advice given in my earlier post. I know I’m not the only one bidding when I should pass and the more of these hands I look at, the better chance I have of passing next time. What do you think of the 2♠ bid? [hv=d=s&v=e&n=skj84h963dqjtcj32&w=sqt97632h754dacq4&e=s5hakjt8d9752c765&s=sahq2dk8643cakt98]399|300|Scoring: IMP[/hv] West North East South - - - 1♦ 2♠ Pass 3♥ Pass 3♠ Dbl Pass Pass Pass Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vilgan Posted January 17, 2009 Report Share Posted January 17, 2009 2♠ bid was decent imo. Its not a great suit, but they did have 7 of the suckers. The main argument against it is the fact partner has not bid yet and you do have 3 hearts. Others might just over call with 8 points but I don't think it was a crazy choice. The following bids by that partnership make absolutely no sense though. 3♥ on a 5 bagger and an 8 count?!? huh?!? And pulling it BACK to spades doesn't make a lot of sense either. The 3♥ bidder should have 6+ hearts that don't suck, and that hand has 3 hearts and a stiff diamond in support. Soo... 2♠ is something some will do and some won't (imo). However, the followup bids defy logic. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1eyedjack Posted January 17, 2009 Report Share Posted January 17, 2009 I'm OK with the 2S bid, but the remaining oppo bids are bizarre. 3H is completely insane. Then, aside from the Heart fit and poor spade suit (despite the 7th card) another reason for West not bidding 3S is that North is more likely to be waiting to double 3S than to double 3H (with a penalty double of 3H he may have made a neg double of 2S on previous round). I am not keen on the final double. Others may disagree with me. But he needed you to have all your undisclosed extras just to take it one off. Possibly a different story at MP scoring. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jtfanclub Posted January 17, 2009 Report Share Posted January 17, 2009 I am not keen on the final double. Others may disagree with me. But he needed you to have all your undisclosed extras just to take it one off. Possibly a different story at MP scoring. It looks at down 2 to me (down 3 on a club lead, but who's going to find that?). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kenberg Posted January 17, 2009 Report Share Posted January 17, 2009 The English language does not have words to describe my view of the 3H bid. Incomprehensible perhaps. The 2S call is so-so. I'm not fond of it but as noted there are seven of them. 7 tends to be a much larger number than 6. In situations like this I like most of my values to be in the suit I bid, but I can imagine 2S. If I had bid 2S, and if partner had bid 3H, we would be playing 4H. Treating 3H is constructive but passable then I guess pass is an option but I would bid 4. Rebidding the spades would not occur to me. I agree with one eye about the final double. I suppose from the doubler's viewpoint it is more likely than not that 3S is going down but it's thin, I think. You don't need to have all those tricks for him. As one eye says, mps would make it more attractive. I suppose that 3D is a sensible contract on the cards. I can imagine stumbling into no trump which will be seriously bad, or getting too high in Diamonds. The opponent's hyperactive auction saved you from all this. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1eyedjack Posted January 17, 2009 Report Share Posted January 17, 2009 I am not keen on the final double. Others may disagree with me. But he needed you to have all your undisclosed extras just to take it one off. Possibly a different story at MP scoring. It looks at down 2 to me (down 3 on a club lead, but who's going to find that?). According to GIB it makes on lead of Spade K or J. One down on any other lead. That is double dummy, of course. On a forcing defence, whether you go just one down or piling off depends on how declarer plays the heart suit. One down depends on his picking up the Queen. Odds against in a vacuum but not perhaps unreasonable, particularly on the history of bidding and play up to the point of decision. Anyway, I just checked, and for whatever reason he played for the drop in Hearts and so slid just the one down. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jtfanclub Posted January 17, 2009 Report Share Posted January 17, 2009 According to GIB it makes on lead of Spade K or J. One down on any other lead. That is double dummy, of course. Seems like on a diamond lead and a small diamond continuation whever they get back in NS can get 4 spade tricks. I must be missing something. Say trick 1 was T♦ (0 or 2 higher). Trick 2 was a low spade to the ace. Trick 3 is a small diamond. Isn't at some point South going to be leading a diamond through the QT9 to the KJ8, with neither North nor West having diamonds? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
matmat Posted January 17, 2009 Report Share Posted January 17, 2009 The English language does not have words to describe my view of the 3H bid. Incomprehensible perhaps. it's on par with the ♥ non-raise, imo. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mtvesuvius Posted January 17, 2009 Report Share Posted January 17, 2009 LOL @ 3♥. wd Jilly :D Edit: 2♠ is decent IMO... 3♥ can be decribed by many other words, none of which are kind or acceptable... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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