inquiry Posted April 29, 2004 Report Share Posted April 29, 2004 The following link Pair link click this will take you to proposed partial list of competitors in the upcoming cavendish pair competition. Last year winners were none other than Fred Gilteman (your BBO and BBF host) and his partner Brad Moss. I think they ahve to be among the favorites. Others in the running? My top two picks (in no particular order are).... ..Bob Hammon - Zia Mahmood (I got to love this pairing)Brad Moss - Fred Gitleman (how can I not pick fred). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trpltrbl Posted April 29, 2004 Report Share Posted April 29, 2004 Greco- Hampson long overdue.Possibly Bocchi- DuBoin. Mike :( Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hrothgar Posted April 29, 2004 Report Share Posted April 29, 2004 You know, BBO as a community could "purchase" the rights to Fred and Brad.Out of the goodness of my heart, I'd be willing to act as the bagman... Everyone start sending checks to Hrothgar's Retirement FundCayman Offshore ServicesP.O. Box 1047George Town, Grand Cayman Islands Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the hog Posted April 29, 2004 Report Share Posted April 29, 2004 There are a number of established partnerships here that have to be given a big chance: Balicki ZmudzinskiBocchi Duboin would be my picksOutsiders:Fantoni Nunes, and agree with Trpltrbl that Greco & Hampson are getting really good results. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fred Posted April 29, 2004 Report Share Posted April 29, 2004 Easy to pick the best pairs (but surpised nobody hasmentioned Levin-Weinstein yet and don't forget aboutthe Egyptians who have come in 2nd the last 2 years). How about something more challenging: Which pairs do you think will be the best value inthe auction? For example, I would rather pay $15K for a pairlike the Stansbys than $50K for Bocchi-Duboin. Maybe we should even start a virtual auction throughBBO forums or paramutual betting using BB$ :D Fred GitelmanBridge Base Inc.www.bridgebase.com Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mishovnbg Posted April 30, 2004 Report Share Posted April 30, 2004 Anreas Buratti - Massimo Lanzarotti...Misho Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
inquiry Posted April 30, 2004 Author Report Share Posted April 30, 2004 Maybe we should even start a virtual auction throughBBO forums or paramutual betting using BB$ :D Sounds llke fun... but guess you drove your price up by winning last year... so if we are going to look for best bargain, I might have to go another way.. :-) Ben Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shrike Posted April 30, 2004 Report Share Posted April 30, 2004 Changing the subject a little -- how many of these players have y'all played against (in person)? I'm sure Fred and the like have faced them all, but what about us regular folks, who aren't normally competing in rarefied air? I have played against at least one member of twelve of those pairs. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
julie5607 Posted April 30, 2004 Report Share Posted April 30, 2004 Is there any way BBO (or anybody for that matter) can broadcast the auction? That would be really fun and interesting to see. Looking forward to the whole event, Julie Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aberlour10 Posted April 30, 2004 Report Share Posted April 30, 2004 I hope C. Balicki & A Zmudzinski will bring the Cavendish "Crown" to Poland,...my outsider tip: Petrunin-Gromov ...2x50 bucks for eastern power :D Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
inquiry Posted April 30, 2004 Author Report Share Posted April 30, 2004 Is there any way BBO (or anybody for that matter) can broadcast the auction? That would be really fun and interesting to see. Looking forward to the whole event, Julie The auction would be fun to see. It would be even more fun if one could purchase a part of a share of a pair or two over the internet..hehehe. Or maybe as Fred suggested a vitural auction or real one using BBO$ (or course the later case with actual money exchanging hands would probably be illegal, dang it). Ben Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
luis Posted April 30, 2004 Report Share Posted April 30, 2004 My picks: Moss - Gitelman Welland - FalleniusFantoni - Nunes Let's see :-) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
inquiry Posted April 30, 2004 Author Report Share Posted April 30, 2004 Fantoni Nunes are on a roll, and did very well at the last NABC. So Ron may be right about that pair. I was originally going to list my top three pairs, but I couldn't pick between them and Duboin-Bocchi so I stuck with two pair. Ben Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trpltrbl Posted April 30, 2004 Report Share Posted April 30, 2004 American pair won last year, this year it will European victory. Mike :D Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hrothgar Posted April 30, 2004 Report Share Posted April 30, 2004 Here is my expectations regarding return per dollar invested 1. Tarek Sadek - Whalid Elahmady2. Howard Weinstein - Steve Garner3. Aleksander Petrunin - Andrei Gromov4. Fulvio Fantoni - Claudio Nunes5. Eric Greco - Geoff Hampson Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
keylime Posted April 30, 2004 Report Share Posted April 30, 2004 Here's my guess: 1. Nightmare pairing <hahahaahahaha>2. The World Open Pair Champs3. "in my dreams" I and my wife, with all proceeds going to her shoe and clothes fetish while I get 50 bucks Canadian to buy Mike and Ike's candies.4. Fred :D Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
keylime Posted April 30, 2004 Report Share Posted April 30, 2004 In reality now my picks: 1. Greco-Hampson2. Fanes-Nantoni3. Buratti-Lanzoratti4. Wold-Miller5. Bocchi-Duboin Don't think Hamman-Zia will even post - doesn't feel right to me. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the hog Posted May 1, 2004 Report Share Posted May 1, 2004 OK Who is going to organise an auction. Virtual or bbo $?First prize - 1 game with Ben2nd prize - 2 games with Ben Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fluffy Posted May 1, 2004 Report Share Posted May 1, 2004 But what happens if Ben wins? I Know nothing about most of those pairs sadly, but it seems to me that many players are playing with sponsor, am I right? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fred Posted May 1, 2004 Report Share Posted May 1, 2004 OK Who is going to organise an auction. Virtual or bbo $?First prize - 1 game with Ben2nd prize - 2 games with Ben Would be nice to be able to have betting on the outcome ofthe Cavendish using BB$, but not sure it would be trivial forus to set it up and besides, it is probably illegal. How about a virtual auction with these rules: 1) Everyone has $100K of virtual money to play with2) Minimum bid on a pair is $10K3) Bids must be made in units of $1K4) For the sake of simplicity, I suggest you use last year'sfigures to determine the (virtual) prizes. 1st $231,3502nd $148,7243rd $99,1504th $74,3625th $66,1006th $57,8387th $49,5768th $41,3129th $33,05010th $24,788 Forums is not exactly well-suited for conducting an auction,but unless someone feels like putting together a web sitefor this, I suppose we can make do. I will open the bidding with: $10K on Lew Stansby and Joanna Stansby$15K on Bjorn Fallenius and Roy Welland$20K on Bobby Levin and Steve Weinstein Fred GitelmanBridge Base Inc.www.bridgebase.com Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
csdenmark Posted May 1, 2004 Report Share Posted May 1, 2004 I wonder why so many play with different partners in a big event. That cannot be a good way I think. Is Cavendish a low priority event? Why does Jeff Meckstroth and Eric Rodwell play with other partners? I would like to see representatives for interesting systems like: Balicki/Zmudzinski(Polish Club)Rubin/Ekeblad(Hamway)Hampson/Greco(Meckwell) to be on top. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fred Posted May 1, 2004 Report Share Posted May 1, 2004 Meckstroth and Rodwell are professional players. They neverplay bridge unless they are guaranteed to make some moneyfrom it. Not all professionals have this attitude but many do. In the Cavendish each pair is forced to purchase at least 10%(I think that is the number not sure) of themselves back from the person who bought them. A pair like Meckwell would rate to sell for $70,000 meaning thatthey would have to place a bet of $7,000 on themselves. As greatas they are, this would not be a smart bet (especially when theycan guarantee a nice pay check by playing with a sponsor). I would like to see a pair playing a natural system win - oneparticular pair in fact - mine :) By the way, system restrictions are quite severe in this event(as they should be in any pairs tournament). Fred GitelmanBridge Base Inc.www.bridgebase.com Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
csdenmark Posted May 1, 2004 Report Share Posted May 1, 2004 Thank you Fred - very informative. My best wishes for a strong wind to back you and Brad up. I will see what I will be able to do send you some of our strong and steady wind - even it here has a tendency mostly to come from the front. :) http://sc.groups.msn.com/themes/R9c/pby/img/emoticons/emhug.gif Good luck Fred! http://sc.groups.msn.com/themes/R9c/pby/img/emoticons/emhug2.gif Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hrothgar Posted May 1, 2004 Report Share Posted May 1, 2004 I'll place $20,000 on Tarek Sadek - Whalid Elahmady $12,000 on Howard Weinstein - Steve Garner $10,000 on Aleksander Petrunin - Andrei Gromov $8,000 on Fulvio Fantoni - Claudio Nunes $5,000 on Eric Greco - Geoff Hampson Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fred Posted May 1, 2004 Report Share Posted May 1, 2004 Thank you Fred - very informative. My best wishes for a strong wind to back you and Brad up. I will see what I will be able to do send you some of our strong and steady wind - even it here has a tendency mostly to come from the front. :) http://sc.groups.msn.com/themes/R9c/pby/img/emoticons/emhug.gif Good luck Fred! http://sc.groups.msn.com/themes/R9c/pby/img/emoticons/emhug2.gif Thanks Claus! Your wind is most welcome B) At some point I will make another post about howthe money works in the Cavendish as I suspect thatnot everyone understands. Fred GitelmanBridge Base Inc.www.bridgebase.com Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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