kfay Posted January 16, 2009 Report Share Posted January 16, 2009 [hv=d=w&v=e&s=sa9xhdkqxxxxxxxcx]133|100|Scoring: MP(1♥)-2♣-(4♦)-5♦(5♥)-6♦-(6♥)-?[/hv] Bad opponents, expert partner. Your choice?Edit: 6♦ instead of 5♦???! What if you were 2-2 in the blacks? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fluffy Posted January 16, 2009 Report Share Posted January 16, 2009 Early in the morning, and I am thinkng and thinking and thinking, and come to no conclusion. At this vulnerability, partner is more likelly to bid 6♦ to defend than to make, this makes it less likelly that he has ♣A and ♦A, even with this cards our troubles ain't over yet. Chaces of opponents making this contract are slim, partner is maked with spade values of he doesn't have ♣A. I think I will double hating it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jillybean Posted January 16, 2009 Report Share Posted January 16, 2009 Do it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whereagles Posted January 16, 2009 Report Share Posted January 16, 2009 Pass. Unless pard can't produce a club trick, this is likely to go down. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mtvesuvius Posted January 16, 2009 Report Share Posted January 16, 2009 I'm with Fluffy, but I am awake saying this :). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hanoi5 Posted January 16, 2009 Report Share Posted January 16, 2009 Yeah, double. I have a trick and I expect partner to have another. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kfay Posted January 16, 2009 Author Report Share Posted January 16, 2009 To be fair I posted this problem with the question in mind 'do you sac?' If we're beating this, do you think double is necessary? I'm wondering what the MP +/- from the double could possibly look like. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mtvesuvius Posted January 16, 2009 Report Share Posted January 16, 2009 To be fair I posted this problem with the question in mind 'do you sac?' If we're beating this, do you think double is necessary? I'm wondering what the MP +/- from the double could possibly look like. This is probably already a top or bottom situation, depending on the field. I think that X for the extra 100 or so won't make a difference, but nor will -1660. So, I double because I'm pretty sure we can beat this, and my scorecard loks better with +200, instead of +100 B). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
suokko Posted January 16, 2009 Report Share Posted January 16, 2009 I think this queston also depends a lot about how sounds overcaller your partner is. If holding like xx xxx Axx KQJxx is routine overcall for your partner I would suspect 6!H is easy make. But if partner is sound overcaller I would just take my sure plus and double for fair MP result. (This seems like hand where many might bid over in both directions and I hope 7♦ isn't on for our side) If partner may easily have the first hand type I will pass and let partner decide what he wants to do with his junk overcall B) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fachiru Posted January 16, 2009 Report Share Posted January 16, 2009 As both 3♦ and 4♦ would be splinters in support of ♥ on this sequece, it sounds like the actual 4♦ bid means void.If this is correct (I'd ask the opps to be sure), then I'm bidding the grand; it may well make plus you only live once.On a lesser distribution (as OP suggested) or uncertainty about opps' 4♦, I hit 6♥. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phil Posted January 16, 2009 Report Share Posted January 16, 2009 I'd bid. Hands like ♠xx ♥x ♦Axxx ♣Axxxxx (and this isn't an overcall) give us our grand and we are just nicking 6♥ a trick. Something like ♠xx ♥x ♦Axxx ♣KQxxxx (many wouldn't overcall (I might)) and we are -1/-2 depending on the lead, but pard's ♦A lead could easily let in 6♥. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nige1 Posted January 16, 2009 Report Share Posted January 16, 2009 [hv=d=w&v=e&s=sa9xhdkqxxxxxxxcx]133|100|Scoring: MP(1♥)-2♣-(4♦)-5♦(5♥)-6♦-(6♥)-?Bad opponents, expert partner. Your choice?What if you were 2-2 in the blacks?[/hv] With the actual hand, IMO, _P = 10, _X = 8, 7♦ = 5.With 2-2 in the blacks, I would be slightly more inclined to double.Double is sometimes necessary to prevent partner from surrendering a ruff and a sluff. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fluffy Posted January 16, 2009 Report Share Posted January 16, 2009 you expect too much fit from partner, The expected lenght for the 5♦ bid is around 7.8. Parter could easilly sacrifice on doubleton, specialy if he has slow values in clubs. Double can give us a lot of MPs if partner has ♣A and we happen to beat 400s, or why not? 550/650 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rogerclee Posted January 16, 2009 Report Share Posted January 16, 2009 lol at doubling to protect our plus score Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brianshark Posted January 16, 2009 Report Share Posted January 16, 2009 TBH, I'm fairly confident 6♥ isn't making. But I think the grand could well make. And while midding may turn a small plus into a small minus, if either 6♥ or 7♦ is making, we gain a bunch by bidding. This is a tough choice. Having checked the form of scoring, I see it's match-points, so I think I'll double and take my plus. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kfay Posted January 21, 2009 Author Report Share Posted January 21, 2009 Here's the full deal (i think) [hv=n=sxxhxxdajxckqjxxx&w=skj108xhaq10xxxdxcx&e=sqxxhkjxxxdca109xx&s=sa9xhdkq10xxxxxxcx]399|300|[/hv] If you pass in tempo partner says he will bid 7♦. If you double or hitch pass, you get a 0. -100 (most likely) is worth about average. Top is +1090, which 3 people were in. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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