xcurt Posted January 13, 2009 Report Share Posted January 13, 2009 XIMPs, favorable, partner deals. 1♦-(1♠)-? A72, Q98, AQ2, QT86 Follow-up: If you bid 2S, partner bids 3H.If you Double, partner bids 4H.If you bid 3NT (oink!) partner bids 4H.Do you take another call? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mike777 Posted January 13, 2009 Report Share Posted January 13, 2009 I dble... given your very unusual follow up I now bid 4s rkc for hearts.....let's see if partner shows a void or what..... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jillybean Posted January 13, 2009 Report Share Posted January 13, 2009 Good problem, double then 4♠ cue over pards 4♥. Lets hope its a cue I dont play 4♠ RKC♥ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rogerclee Posted January 13, 2009 Report Share Posted January 13, 2009 I would bid 3♠ with this hand, a transfer to 3NT. It sounds like partner would bid 4♥ over this, I would cuebid 4♠ over that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OleBerg Posted January 13, 2009 Report Share Posted January 13, 2009 I am quite surprised that 2♣ isn't an option, as I find the bid obvious. Second guessing a little, the bidding would continue: 1♦ - (1♠) - 2♣ - (pass)2♥ - (pass) - 2♠ - (pass)3♥ - (pass) - 3♠ - (pass)??? What do partner bid? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Codo Posted January 13, 2009 Report Share Posted January 13, 2009 I would try 2 ♠ 3 NT and 6 ♦, not a cunning success, but that is what I had done. (AndI still play the method, where 2 ♠ does not show a fit but is asking for a stopper) The polish idea, 3 ♠ to show this hand is nice, but just when your partner knows that you play this. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gnasher Posted January 13, 2009 Report Share Posted January 13, 2009 I am quite surprised that 2♣ isn't an option, as I find the bid obvious. Me too. If my partner then bid hearts twice, I'd bid 4♦ and see if he cuebid. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hanoi5 Posted January 13, 2009 Report Share Posted January 13, 2009 3NT now, 4♠ over 4♥. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fluffy Posted January 13, 2009 Report Share Posted January 13, 2009 Double first, then 6♦. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cascade Posted January 13, 2009 Report Share Posted January 13, 2009 2♠ cue raise seems boringly normal and then 3♠ over a 3♥ continuation from partner. Edit: Somehow I misread the hand I thought there were four diamonds. Not sure why. 2♠ is not so boringly normal anymore. Normally I double with this hand but for some this might show four hearts. If so then 2♠ or 3♣ are possible. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
helene_t Posted January 13, 2009 Report Share Posted January 13, 2009 Agree with OleBerg and Gnasher. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OleBerg Posted January 13, 2009 Report Share Posted January 13, 2009 I am quite surprised that 2♣ isn't an option, as I find the bid obvious. Me too. If my partner then bid hearts twice, I'd bid 4♦ and see if he cuebid.Agree more with you than with myself. If partner bids ♥'s twice, 3♠ is pointless. 4♦ is the right bid. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mtvesuvius Posted January 13, 2009 Report Share Posted January 13, 2009 Agree with Helene. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whereagles Posted January 13, 2009 Report Share Posted January 13, 2009 2♠, followed by 3♠ or 3NT. Since it goes 3♥ from pard, I think now I bid 3♠. I find that 2♣ and 3NT also have merit. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gnasher Posted January 13, 2009 Report Share Posted January 13, 2009 Do the 2♠ bidders think they're showing primary diamonds, or just a good hand without anything obvious to bid? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
miguelm Posted January 13, 2009 Report Share Posted January 13, 2009 Why complicate things...? One of my all time favorites M. Lawrence taught me we should look for Major fits and find how high we could play. If there was no M fit, we should try to find out if we can play NT, the next possible game. Maybe I am out of fashion, as some of the posts here seem to reveal, but I think 2S bids my hand in perfection. Unless I am looking for anything extraordinary I like to play this promising half stopper, so I am asking partner to bid 2N if he has one himself or to bid his hand otherwise. If it turns out to be otherwise, I am likely to give partner my support in his suit(s)... Even this being a problem, I always bid to the most likely hands partner can hold, I do not anticipate "freaks". If he turns out to hold one, we will bid to the best of our ability and hopefully we will land on our feet, but in the long run I want him to feel good about my bids... Btw, bidding 2C with that hand (and that suit) is really not my cup of tea. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Apollo81 Posted January 13, 2009 Report Share Posted January 13, 2009 I would bid 3♠ with this hand, a transfer to 3NT. It sounds like partner would bid 4♥ over this, I would cuebid 4♠ over that. Agree, provided I had this option. Without it, I'd bid 2♠, then 3NT. It sounds like partner would bid 4♥ over that....etc. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Echognome Posted January 13, 2009 Report Share Posted January 13, 2009 I would think 2♠ as the least of the evils. I don't have 4 hearts, so I'm not going to double. I don't have 5 clubs or even 4 good ones, so not an emphasis I want to make. I don't have primary diamond support, but AQx is good support regardless, so I make that the least of the lies. As Wayne did, when partner bids 3♥, I simply follow with 3♠ to figure out where to go from there. When partner bids 4♥ (showing a 5-6 hand), I "come alive" and bid 4♠ now as a cue. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikeh Posted January 13, 2009 Report Share Posted January 13, 2009 I'm with the 2♣ wtp crowd. I mean, wtp??? it's forcing one round, and I can cue next round to create a gf if need be. It doesn't lie about a suit that is likely to be trump.. unlike diamonds and hearts. I note that we weren't told, in the original post, what happens next. If partner were to bid hearts twice now, my hand is huge, and I'd make a slam move... 2♥ 2♠3♥ 4♦ what I do next depends on what he does next... it would be nice to have some agreements here... but we should be able to cue to the correct contract.. altho I suspect that virtually everyone (other than me and,maybe, Frances) would end up using keycard at some point. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fluffy Posted January 13, 2009 Report Share Posted January 13, 2009 altho I suspect that virtually everyone (other than me and,maybe, Frances) would end up using keycard at some point. I didn't use keycard, I didn't even cue lol, my bidding wasn't very precise but I bet the contract is good. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Echognome Posted January 13, 2009 Report Share Posted January 13, 2009 what I do next depends on what he does next... it would be nice to have some agreements here... but we should be able to cue to the correct contract.. altho I suspect that virtually everyone (other than me and,maybe, Frances) would end up using keycard at some point. I don't know if you purposefully chose words to instigate, but... Shouldn't it depend on if someone in the partnership is able to take control? I mean we aren't because we're looking at two possible quick losers in clubs. Hopefully our partner won't envision that we have a club control, because of our 2♣ bid and subsequent action. (I'm not saying they will, but it will be more likely given our focus on clubs.) I believe if you read my post, you will see my move was to cue 4♠ and leave it up to partner and, as Gonzalo showed, there are others who do not have any plans to keycard. By the way, I'm not saying I like my auction any better than yours the way it turned out, just saying what I feel I would do at the table. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jdonn Posted January 13, 2009 Report Share Posted January 13, 2009 I would start with 2♣, but then when partner bids 2♥ which is game forcing why would I not just bid a simple 3♦? 2♠ instead would only serve to confuse the issue. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikeh Posted January 13, 2009 Report Share Posted January 13, 2009 what I do next depends on what he does next... it would be nice to have some agreements here... but we should be able to cue to the correct contract.. altho I suspect that virtually everyone (other than me and,maybe, Frances) would end up using keycard at some point. I don't know if you purposefully chose words to instigate, but... Shouldn't it depend on if someone in the partnership is able to take control? I mean we aren't because we're looking at two possible quick losers in clubs. Hopefully our partner won't envision that we have a club control, because of our 2♣ bid and subsequent action. (I'm not saying they will, but it will be more likely given our focus on clubs.) I believe if you read my post, you will see my move was to cue 4♠ and leave it up to partner and, as Gonzalo showed, there are others who do not have any plans to keycard. By the way, I'm not saying I like my auction any better than yours the way it turned out, just saying what I feel I would do at the table.Maybe I wasn't clear, or maybe you think that most posts are about you (a failing of which I have been accused). As I see your posts, you didn't choose 2♣ at all. Therefore I had and have no idea how you would intend to bid had you done so. Furthermore, if you did bid 2♣ and partner then bid and rebid hearts, the auction would (if you bid as I suggested) be at the 3-level.. at 3♥... so no-one is cue-bidding 4♠. An auction that begins with a cuebid (my second choice) obviously develops in an entirely different fashion, if only because we have, in effect, preempted our own auction.. not that such preemption is the reason I chose 2♣ instead. I wasn't trying to antagonize anyone.. but as someone who (usually) reads the posts, I can state with complete assurance that virtually everyone uses keycard far more frequently than I think is appropriate. That doesn't make me correct in my views of whether and when keycard should be used, but it does justify my suggesting that I would likely be in a minority when I choose not to keycard in any given auction. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikeh Posted January 13, 2009 Report Share Posted January 13, 2009 I would start with 2♣, but then when partner bids 2♥ which is game forcing why would I not just bid a simple 3♦? 2♠ instead would only serve to confuse the issue. Well, to me the auction that begins with me bidding 2♣ and then bidding 3♦ suggests a somewhat different shape than 3=3=3=4.. and I'd like partner to be able to make an economical rebid, which is easier after 2♠ than it is after 3♦. I don't see much in it, btw, and suspect that, most times, the end result will be the same. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skjaeran Posted January 13, 2009 Report Share Posted January 13, 2009 Add me in the 2♣ wtp camp too.Over 2♥ I give preference with 3♦. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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