orlam Posted January 11, 2009 Report Share Posted January 11, 2009 I will open 2♣ as long as I have a way to show four hearts with longer diamonds. Not because I want to play in hearts, but to help partner evaluate. If not I'll open 1♦ even though I think it's worth 2♣. It's easy to say we have slam opposite (for example) the heart king, but that only helps us if we reach it opposite the heart king and not another king or no kings. You could open 2♣, jump to 4♦, and drive to 6♦ if partner cues 4♥. (And bid 5♦ over any other cue.) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
manudude03 Posted January 11, 2009 Report Share Posted January 11, 2009 I will open 2♣ as long as I have a way to show four hearts with longer diamonds. Not because I want to play in hearts, but to help partner evaluate. If not I'll open 1♦ even though I think it's worth 2♣. It's easy to say we have slam opposite (for example) the heart king, but that only helps us if we reach it opposite the heart king and not another king or no kings. You could open 2♣, jump to 4♦, and drive to 6♦ if partner cues 4♥. (And bid 5♦ over any other cue.) That assumes that partner won't cue shortness. Though, having said that, slam will make opposite ♠xxxx ♥x ♦Txx ♣xxxxx if you avoid a diamond lead and hearts are 4-4 or other lucky layouts. There's also the issue of what does partner do if he has the ♦A. Maybe 4NT should give this message? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
orlam Posted January 11, 2009 Report Share Posted January 11, 2009 True it's not perfect but will it do worse than opening 1♦? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jdonn Posted January 12, 2009 Report Share Posted January 12, 2009 True it's not perfect but will it do worse than opening 1♦? Maybe or maybe not. I don't think it's unreasonable, but it could go wrong in lots of ways. Maybe we belong in 3NT. Maybe partner is void in diamonds. Maybe we have a 5-4 heart fit. Maybe he cuebids heart shortness without much diamond support at all. Maybe he is absolutely broke and we have no game at all. There are plenty of ways for 1♦ to work better. Anyway when I made my original post, I was thinking in particular of methods that could show four hearts with longer diamonds below 3NT, since if partner then bid that I would be happy to play it. Also if he raises hearts and I try to play in diamonds anyway, he can overrule me if the difference is extreme (my comment that I don't want to play in hearts was lazy, I mean I don't want to play in a 4-4 heart fit.) So I don't think your suggestion is just an automatic substitution. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MFA Posted January 12, 2009 Author Report Share Posted January 12, 2009 Thanks for the answers. We had a discussion on a national discussion board, where there was a huge vote in favour of 1♦. But everybody hates 2♣ there with anything resembling a two-suiter, so I wanted to test the opinion elsewhere. I think that 2♣ is best. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
helene_t Posted January 12, 2009 Report Share Posted January 12, 2009 I will open 2♣ as long as I have a way to show four hearts with longer diamonds. lol, I will open 1♥ (or 1NT) as long as I have a way to describe my hand after that opening :) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jdonn Posted January 12, 2009 Report Share Posted January 12, 2009 I will open 2♣ as long as I have a way to show four hearts with longer diamonds. lol, I will open 1♥ (or 1NT) as long as I have a way to describe my hand after that opening :) Well clearly if you had to choose any opening bid after which you would be able to describe this hand it would be 2♣, for obvious reasons. :) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jillybean Posted January 12, 2009 Report Share Posted January 12, 2009 1♦ Keep it simple Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whereagles Posted January 12, 2009 Report Share Posted January 12, 2009 1♦ Keep it simple 1♦ pass pass pass I'm sure it will be a simple contract to make :) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jillybean Posted January 12, 2009 Report Share Posted January 12, 2009 1♦ Keep it simple 1♦ pass pass pass I'm sure it will be a simple contract to make B) I used to have a fear of these hands being passed out so I’d often open 2♣ and have a struggle to describe my hand. Now I find it better if I describe my hand, trust my partner and together we find the best spot. IMO 2♣ is over used. I’m sure 1♦ its not the right bid 100% of the time but as a general rule I bid my suits when I have 2. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whereagles Posted January 13, 2009 Report Share Posted January 13, 2009 Well, in this case if you do open 2♣, it's very simple to show your hand. Just rebid diamonds and, if pard doesn't bid hearts, follow-up with 5♦. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gerben42 Posted January 13, 2009 Report Share Posted January 13, 2009 I will open 2♣ as long as I have a way to show four hearts with longer diamonds. I agree with this. Very simple, really. 2♣ - 2♦ - 3♥ :D If opps get loud you cannot show ♥, you counter? Be honest. Were you going to bid ♥ after something like 1♦ (2♠) p (4♠)? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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