Benoit35 Posted January 8, 2009 Report Share Posted January 8, 2009 Partner opens 1NT (15-17) in second seat. You have: ♠AQ764♥K8542♦95♣J How do you respond with a competent pick-up partner? With a regular partner? What I did: Used Stayman, planning to reply 2♥ (criss-cross) if partner denied a 4-card major. If he then said 2NT denying three spade cards, I would go to 4♥ knowing that he couldn't have two major doubletons, having to play the hand myself. All of this with a new partner. Fortunately, he replied 2♠. If you're nice I'll post a follow-up question. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jillybean Posted January 8, 2009 Report Share Posted January 8, 2009 2♥ transfer to ♠ then bid 3♥ Why cant partner have doubletons in the Majors? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
marcD Posted January 8, 2009 Report Share Posted January 8, 2009 I want to be in game with that hand facing a strong NT. With a regular partner 4♦ showing 55 in the majors without slam ambitions. Barring that Stayman and over 2M I raise to game , over 2♦ 3♥ smolen (5S4H) and probably 4H if partner does not raise (passing 3NT is a possibility but I do not think it is a long term winner) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
helene_t Posted January 8, 2009 Report Share Posted January 8, 2009 What Kathryn (Jillybean) says is standard and I don't think it can be misunderstood - however, some partners might not be confident that you have five hearts, so if it goes 1NT-2♥2♠-3♥3NT you can decide to bid 4♥ (especially if you are sure that partner can't have two doubletons in the majors, of course). If it goes1NT-2♣2♦-2♥ most would take it as a weak hand with five hearts and 4-5 spades and would pass unless spades are better than hearts - even with 17 points. So this is not what you should do with this hand. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hanoi5 Posted January 8, 2009 Report Share Posted January 8, 2009 How about using Texas Transfers, in which 4♣ shows this hand. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
helene_t Posted January 8, 2009 Report Share Posted January 8, 2009 How about using Texas Transfers, in which 4♣ shows this hand. Yeah that's what I do with Shogi, too, but the question was what to do with an unfamiliar partner, relying only on "standard" treatments, whatever that is. Edited: oops sorry Hanoi, just realized there were two questions, one about a pick-up partner and one about a regular partner. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hanoi5 Posted January 8, 2009 Report Share Posted January 8, 2009 Then I'd bid 2♥ and rebid 4♥ over 2♠. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
helene_t Posted January 8, 2009 Report Share Posted January 8, 2009 Then I'd bid 2♥ and rebid 4♥ over 2♠. oops splinter :) OK, it will probably work as well. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fluffy Posted January 8, 2009 Report Share Posted January 8, 2009 It doesn't matter that partner might have 2 doubletons in the majors, this hand plays 4M anyway. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Benoit35 Posted January 8, 2009 Author Report Share Posted January 8, 2009 Then I'd bid 2♥ and rebid 4♥ over 2♠. oops splinter :) OK, it will probably work as well.Speaking of... here's that other question: After 1NT - 2♣ - 2♠, somehow I was emboldened by the 5-4 fit and felt that there was less possibility of a misunderstanding so I replied 4♣. He took control at this point and tried the slam, which went down 1 on bad luck (3-1 trumps and 5-1 hearts). My questions are, is it a common or advisable thing to splinter 1) after a Stayman? 2) after a transfer? 3) More generally, holding the hand with long trumps? Partner held: ♠JT83♥AT♦AKT4♠A32 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kenrexford Posted January 8, 2009 Report Share Posted January 8, 2009 With reg, 3♦ for majors. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hrothgar Posted January 8, 2009 Report Share Posted January 8, 2009 How about using Texas Transfers, in which 4♣ shows this hand. ??? I am somewhat confused by this comment.What auction are we talking about? My understanding is that "Texas Transfers" describes the auction 1N - 4♦ and1N - 4♥ The use/failure to use of Texas introduces a number of negative inferences which impact the Jacoby structure. I've never heard people refer to 1N - 4♣ = 5-5 in the majors as an integral part of the Texas Transfers. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fluffy Posted January 8, 2009 Report Share Posted January 8, 2009 Splinter is great on any hand that thinks of slam, helps you find out about how well the hands do fit. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hrothgar Posted January 8, 2009 Report Share Posted January 8, 2009 There's been a lot of discussion about showing shape, but not all that much about showing strength. One of the problems with 5-5 hands is letting partner know whether you're showing 1. an invitational hand2. GF values3. Slam invitational values Some NT response structures use 3♥ = 5+ / 5+ in the majaors with invitational values3♠ = 5+ / 5+ in the majors with GF values The transfer followed by 3M shows a slam invite. 5-4 patterns with both majors work through Smolen. I've also seen schemes in which GF 5-5 with little / no slam interest work through Smolen. On this hand, you'd anticipate an auction like 1N - 2♣2♦ - 3♠3N - 4♥ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vuroth Posted January 8, 2009 Report Share Posted January 8, 2009 I like 2♥ 3♥ 4♥. Given that partner bid 2♠ over Stayman, I like 4♣. What I don't like is partner's response to it. This has always kind of bugged me. Ace out opposite a splinter isn't a terrible holding, but I always felt that it wasn't as clearly helpful as a trash holding. Having those 4 points in the other suits, connecting to other honours, can make things easier. I'm not saying I'd abandon ship with p's hand over 4♣, but I think I'd bid 4♦ rather than grabbing the steering wheel. 0.02 Vuroth (Intermediate) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kenrexford Posted January 8, 2009 Report Share Posted January 8, 2009 There's been a lot of discussion about showing shape, but not all that much about showing strength. One of the problems with 5-5 hands is letting partner know whether you're showing 1. an invitational hand2. GF values3. Slam invitational values Some NT response structures use 3♥ = 5+ / 5+ in the majaors with invitational values3♠ = 5+ / 5+ in the majors with GF values The transfer followed by 3M shows a slam invite. 5-4 patterns with both majors work through Smolen. I've also seen schemes in which GF 5-5 with little / no slam interest work through Smolen. On this hand, you'd anticipate an auction like 1N - 2♣2♦ - 3♠3N - 4♥ 1NT-P-3♦(majors)-P-3M(agrees trumps)-P-? Relay = lower stiff/void, max slam interestR+1 = higher stiff/void, max slam interestR+2 = lower stiff/void, mild slam interestR+3 = higher stiff/void, mild slam interestGame = no slam interest Opener can also bid 4♥/4♠ with no slam interest even if Responder does, or 4♣/4♦ with some other specific hand as agreed. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mike777 Posted January 8, 2009 Report Share Posted January 8, 2009 Smolen: 1nt=2c2d=3h(forcing 5s and 4h) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Benoit35 Posted January 8, 2009 Author Report Share Posted January 8, 2009 I'm not saying I'd abandon ship with p's hand over 4♣, but I think I'd bid 4♦ rather than grabbing the steering wheel.He did both, actually. :) The rest of the auction went 4♦ - 4♠ - 4NT - 5♦ - 6♠. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
realnumpty Posted January 8, 2009 Report Share Posted January 8, 2009 With regular partner using heeman: 1nt - 2♦ (transfer 4+♥)2♥ - 2♠ (4+♠ INV+)3♣ (max) - 3♦ (retransfer 5+♥ GF after max)3♠ (sets ♠) - 4♣ (cue 1st or 2nd bypassing serious 3nt)4♦ (cue 1st or 2nd) - 4♥ (cue 1st or 2nd)4nt (6 ace RKCB when two suits shown) - 5♦ ( 2 or 5)6♠ - pass At first I thought these methods handled the hands nicely but on reflection I am not so happy. Should the 4♥ bid be LTTC? Also 6 Ace RKCB really sucks here as Axxx(x) opposite JTxx in trump is possible as asking for queens takes the bidding beyond 5♠. Ordinary RKCB works much better here. All thoughts appreciated. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BobElliott Posted January 9, 2009 Report Share Posted January 9, 2009 Agree with Ken...3D = 55 MAJ. GAME + .... ALSO: ;) 2C - 2D - 2S = INVL. 55/54 2H - 2S - 3H = INVL. 64. 2D - 2H - 2S = INVL. 45/46. 2C - 2D - 3M = SMOLEN 4M & 5 OM (GAME + ). 2C - 2D - 4C = SLAM INV.+ 4S & 6H. 2C - 2D - 4D = SLAM INV. + 6S & 4H. 2C - 2D - 4M = 6M & 4OM TO PLAY. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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