MarkDean Posted January 6, 2009 Report Share Posted January 6, 2009 [hv=d=s&v=b&s=sa842ha98652dtcaj]133|100|Scoring: IMP1♥ 1♠?[/hv] My counterpart in a team match was a quite strong player and made a call that baffles me - trying to see whether just I am crazy or we both are. My first attempt at a poll - if it does not work, please just post your bid. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kfay Posted January 6, 2009 Report Share Posted January 6, 2009 3 spades!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! for me Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
andy_h Posted January 6, 2009 Report Share Posted January 6, 2009 Easy 3S. 6-4 and 3 bullets. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rogerclee Posted January 6, 2009 Report Share Posted January 6, 2009 3s, I dislike every other option. I want to emphasize that on shapely weak hands like this, bidding 4♦/4♠ is a bad idea even when it is right on values (it's close here) because partner is not going to pass 3♠ anyway. When the opponents stay out of the auction like this, it is illogical to worry about missing game opposite a perfecto 6-count, in practice this hand will occur very infrequently. Given that you will basically never miss game by bidding 3♠ (and if you do, it is far from clear that this is bad), you just want to make the bid that puts your side in the best position in case partner wants to try for slam. 4♦ will just get you to way too many bad slams, since partner will expect something like your hand plus an extra working king. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jillybean Posted January 6, 2009 Report Share Posted January 6, 2009 Hooked on splinters, 4♦ is a lot more fun. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ochinko Posted January 6, 2009 Report Share Posted January 6, 2009 3♠ has no alternative. I could have more controls with these points only with a ♦ void. If we have a ♥ fit, hearts will be our source of side tricks. If not, there will be a ♥/minor crossruff. ♠AKxx ♥Axxxxx ♦x ♣Ax would be 4♠ ♠AKxx ♥AKxxxx ♦x ♣Ax would be 4♦ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dicklont Posted January 6, 2009 Report Share Posted January 6, 2009 3♠ partner can hold a minimum with ♦ values.But it's tempting to bid 4♠ right away, maybe you should because it's IMP's. 4♦ would really be an overbid. If you can show the diamond splinter lower and not GF you have the best agreement for this hand. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fluffy Posted January 6, 2009 Report Share Posted January 6, 2009 Early in the morning I voted for 4♠, maybe a bit exagerated, but 6-4 I like to bid it that way. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hairy_Scot Posted January 6, 2009 Report Share Posted January 6, 2009 Hooked on splinters, 4♦ is a lot more fun. I kinda like 4♦ too. Maybe I should seek out Jillybean2 as a possible pard B) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
helene_t Posted January 6, 2009 Report Share Posted January 6, 2009 3♠ partner can hold a minimum with ♦ values.But it's tempting to bid 4♠ right away, maybe you should because it's IMP's. 4♦ would really be an overbid. I don't think 4♠ is weaker than 4♦. 4♠ should deny a small singleton, typically 19 balanced or equivalent with a 4522 or a stiff honor. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ochinko Posted January 6, 2009 Report Share Posted January 6, 2009 3♠ partner can hold a minimum with ♦ values.But it's tempting to bid 4♠ right away, maybe you should because it's IMP's. 4♦ would really be an overbid. I don't think 4♠ is weaker than 4♦. 4♠ should deny a small singleton, typically 19 balanced or equivalent with a 4522 or a stiff honor.I think if it isn't it should be. 4♠ just closes the bidding whereas 4♦ is a clear slam invitation with a ♠ fit. You could bid 4♠ even with minimum points: ♠KQxx-♥Axxxxx-♦void-♣Axx. When you're limited it doesn't make sense to invite even with a shortness. Your partner can still investigate further with their own extras. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dicklont Posted January 6, 2009 Report Share Posted January 6, 2009 3♠ partner can hold a minimum with ♦ values.But it's tempting to bid 4♠ right away, maybe you should because it's IMP's. 4♦ would really be an overbid. I don't think 4♠ is weaker than 4♦. 4♠ should deny a small singleton, typically 19 balanced or equivalent with a 4522 or a stiff honor. I bid balanced 18/19 hands through 2NT, which is forcing and could have a fit in partners ♥/♠ suit.Therefore the immediate rebid to game shows an unbalanced hand that is not strong enough to splinter. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
helene_t Posted January 6, 2009 Report Share Posted January 6, 2009 I bid balanced 18/19 hands through 2NT, which is forcing and could have a fit in partners ♥/♠ suit.Therefore the immediate rebid to game shows an unbalanced hand that is not strong enough to splinter. Right, I do that too with my Dutch partners, here in England people play 2NT as non-forcing and that is what most of the North American experts do, too. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Viren169 Posted January 6, 2009 Report Share Posted January 6, 2009 4S for me... I know it's an over bid but hopefully pd will go mad in the bidding! - 4S will have play opposite as little as Kxxxx spades and out- only worry is that Pd will go on BRViren Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fluffy Posted January 6, 2009 Report Share Posted January 6, 2009 3♠ partner can hold a minimum with ♦ values.But it's tempting to bid 4♠ right away, maybe you should because it's IMP's. 4♦ would really be an overbid. I don't think 4♠ is weaker than 4♦. 4♠ should deny a small singleton, typically 19 balanced or equivalent with a 4522 or a stiff honor. I think the standard aproach is that 4 spades is a gambling bid, tipycally based on long minor, while splinter pictures a slam aproach hand, wich by definition will be a lot stronger. with 19 balanced most people rebid 2NT even with fit. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
y66 Posted January 6, 2009 Report Share Posted January 6, 2009 Is pard breathing? 3S Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
keylime Posted January 6, 2009 Report Share Posted January 6, 2009 3♠, down the middle bid. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bid_em_up Posted January 6, 2009 Report Share Posted January 6, 2009 I will take the low road and bid a simple 2♠. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikeh Posted January 6, 2009 Report Share Posted January 6, 2009 3♠ partner can hold a minimum with ♦ values.But it's tempting to bid 4♠ right away, maybe you should because it's IMP's. 4♦ would really be an overbid. I don't think 4♠ is weaker than 4♦. 4♠ should deny a small singleton, typically 19 balanced or equivalent with a 4522 or a stiff honor. I think the standard aproach is that 4 spades is a gambling bid, tipycally based on long minor, while splinter pictures a slam aproach hand, wich by definition will be a lot stronger. with 19 balanced most people rebid 2NT even with fit.That may be standard in some parts of the world (I am not being sarcastic... I accept that it really may be) but is it not standard in NA. A 2N rebid can be passed, and so we need 4♠ for the balanced near-2N opening bid with 4 spades. It is not gambling.. we don't need it as gambling, because we have splinter bids and invitational raises for shapely hands, and a partner who enjoys being allowed to have input into the game-no game decisions. To me this looks like a wtp 3♠ call. Partner doesn't need much to make a move over this, whether that be to a game or towards a slam.. in the latter case, I like my controls and will co-operate enthusiastically. I don't like the splinter, altho it would be my second choice. I have adequate controls (to say the least) but I have no internal fillers... and while I love controls in a slam context, we will need significant internal fillers to generate slam, unless partner has extra shape. In either case... extra shape or significant fillers, he can make a move over 3♠. But he may make a move over 4♦ with somewhat fewer assets, and once we cue beyond game, we may be propelled too high before we identify our weaknesses... if I splinter and he co-operates, through keycard or cueing, we will be at the 6 level for sure and we may not belong there. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whereagles Posted January 6, 2009 Report Share Posted January 6, 2009 Early in the morning I voted for 4♠, maybe a bit exagerated, but 6-4 I like to bid it that way. There is a point to this. In fact, it probably makes opposite as little as KQJxxxxxxxxxx But I'll just bid 3♠. Not because I fear getting overboard in game, but in SLAM :) (if I bid 4 and pard takes me too seriously). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skjaeran Posted January 6, 2009 Report Share Posted January 6, 2009 3♠ for me, that's what the hand is worth. 4♦ is too much, besides, it shows a void in my world. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kgr Posted January 6, 2009 Report Share Posted January 6, 2009 3♠(with my regular partner I play that 2♦ is forcing and 3♦ is a splinter with 12-14 or 18-19...3♦ with that agreement) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jillybean Posted January 7, 2009 Report Share Posted January 7, 2009 Hooked on splinters, 4♦ is a lot more fun. I kinda like 4♦ too. Maybe I should seek out Jillybean2 as a possible pard :D Great but please leave the bagpipes at home and put on some shorts. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cascade Posted January 7, 2009 Report Share Posted January 7, 2009 3♠ for me, that's what the hand is worth. 4♦ is too much, besides, it shows a void in my world. Is 3♦ a singleton? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the hog Posted January 7, 2009 Report Share Posted January 7, 2009 3S. Far too good for 2S and not good enough for 4D. What else is there? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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