Fluffy Posted January 4, 2009 Report Share Posted January 4, 2009 ♠QJ72♥9♦A7632♣AK4 2/1 1♠-2♦2♥-?? NOTE: 4 hearts would be natural, no splinter in hearts avaible. Bonus question: Do you move on latter? Likelly continuations (sorry if I picked a different aproach than yours next round): After 2 spades: 3 Diamonds-4 hearts - 4 ♠-?? After 3 spades: 4 clubs-4 diamonds-4 hearts-?? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kfay Posted January 4, 2009 Report Share Posted January 4, 2009 Need more info. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fluffy Posted January 4, 2009 Author Report Share Posted January 4, 2009 wow it took me only a few seconds to realice I missed the bidding, you were fast Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kfay Posted January 4, 2009 Report Share Posted January 4, 2009 I'd just bid 2♠ then start cuebidding. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whereagles Posted January 4, 2009 Report Share Posted January 4, 2009 2♠. I got special methods for the follow-ups, though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cascade Posted January 4, 2009 Report Share Posted January 4, 2009 I find some other methods where I can show my support on the previous round rather than bidding an ace-empty suit. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rogerclee Posted January 4, 2009 Report Share Posted January 4, 2009 Abstain, 2♦ was a terrible call, 4♥ is also a terrible call unless I have weak/strong splinters available. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mike777 Posted January 4, 2009 Report Share Posted January 4, 2009 STrongly prefer 2nt or some very strong spade raise over one spade.Dislike 2d, strongly. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TimG Posted January 4, 2009 Report Share Posted January 4, 2009 Wouldn't a jump to 3♠ at this point show good diamonds and spades? Else why go about raising indirectly. Even if I didn't have an immediate forcing raise available, there must be some distinction between 2♠ and 3♠ now. I think the jump should show quality. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rogerclee Posted January 4, 2009 Report Share Posted January 4, 2009 Wouldn't a jump to 3♠ at this point show good diamonds and spades? Else why go about raising indirectly. Even if I didn't have an immediate forcing raise available, there must be some distinction between 2♠ and 3♠ now. I think the jump should show quality. I actually play it as a spade splinter with heart support, but I wouldn't do this without talking about it, and I don't claim this is best. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jdonn Posted January 4, 2009 Report Share Posted January 4, 2009 Wouldn't a jump to 3♠ at this point show good diamonds and spades? Else why go about raising indirectly. Even if I didn't have an immediate forcing raise available, there must be some distinction between 2♠ and 3♠ now. I think the jump should show quality. I actually play it as a spade splinter with heart support, but I wouldn't do this without talking about it, and I don't claim this is best. LOL (couldn't help it :P) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
y66 Posted January 4, 2009 Report Share Posted January 4, 2009 I don't think of myself as a scientist, but I do think its important to define HCP ranges for splinters and what jumps show after a 2/1. I can show 4 spades, heart shortness and 12-14 HCPs over 1S. For me, 2D then 2S denies 4 spades and 2d then 3S shows 3+ spades and *good* diamonds. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jdeegan Posted January 5, 2009 Report Share Posted January 5, 2009 STrongly prefer 2nt or some very strong spade raise over one spade.Dislike 2d, strongly. :P 2♦ seems to me to be the third best bid. 2NT leads to an easy auction as partner will show shortness or else reveal his/her general strength with the next bid. I can then MASTERMIND the hand.A strong jump shift of 3♦ has a lot going for it as well, esp. opposite a good partner who will not give up on slam holding a diamond fit, so I can simply support spades and then relax. Six ♠ is easy opposite ♠AKxxx and ♦KQx. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the hog Posted January 5, 2009 Report Share Posted January 5, 2009 I find some other methods where I can show my support on the previous round rather than bidding an ace-empty suit. Agree. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
neilkaz Posted January 5, 2009 Report Share Posted January 5, 2009 Abstain wondering why I didn't make a GF ♠ raise with my first call. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dicklont Posted January 5, 2009 Report Share Posted January 5, 2009 I chose 3♠ and now I know that partner has the ace of hearts, a singleton clubs, and at least nine cards in the majors.This leaves at most 1 looser in diamonds.Partner could have diamond king, and if he doesn't his values are concentratred in the majors. Even with this bad hand slam is making:AKxxxAxxxQxxx All in all I bid 5♣ now and hope partner shows diamond king. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fluffy Posted January 5, 2009 Author Report Share Posted January 5, 2009 bah, whatever excuse just not to answer, lucky you that your 2NT methods are overloaded and can hold any hand from 7 spades to 3 from voids to 4333. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rogerclee Posted January 5, 2009 Report Share Posted January 5, 2009 bah, whatever excuse just not to answer, lucky you that your 2NT methods are overloaded and can hold any hand from 7 spades to 3 from voids to 4333. You are right, this is a very difficult problem! It is difficult because we know that partner has three diamonds, but which 3 diamonds he has are very important, and he will like Qxx a lot, when in reality, that is a terrible holding. It is difficult because partner has no idea about our heart shortness or the degree of our spade support, so all of his bidding is pretty meaningless, and we are out of room to show these features about our hand. All in all, a very hard problem! Hopefully it is obvious now why 2♦ was a bad bid. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hanoi5 Posted January 5, 2009 Report Share Posted January 5, 2009 I'd 4NT after 3♠ and the sequence you offered. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
helene_t Posted January 5, 2009 Report Share Posted January 5, 2009 bah, whatever excuse just not to answer, lucky you that your 2NT methods are overloaded and can hold any hand from 7 spades to 3 from voids to 4333. It does promise 4-card support and deny a hand suitable for a splinter. But you are probably right that it is over-loaded. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fluffy Posted January 5, 2009 Author Report Share Posted January 5, 2009 well, anyway, those who don't like 2♦ are not scientific lol. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
qwery_hi Posted January 5, 2009 Report Share Posted January 5, 2009 I find some other methods where I can show my support on the previous round rather than bidding an ace-empty suit. Can you explain some more about your methods? Right now, the way I play, I have no bid other than 2♦ to respond. I could bid 2NT, but I'm a few points short for a Jacoby 2NT response. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
qwery_hi Posted January 5, 2009 Report Share Posted January 5, 2009 bah, whatever excuse just not to answer, lucky you that your 2NT methods are overloaded and can hold any hand from 7 spades to 3 from voids to 4333. You are right, this is a very difficult problem! It is difficult because we know that partner has three diamonds, but which 3 diamonds he has are very important, and he will like Qxx a lot, when in reality, that is a terrible holding. It is difficult because partner has no idea about our heart shortness or the degree of our spade support, so all of his bidding is pretty meaningless, and we are out of room to show these features about our hand. All in all, a very hard problem! Hopefully it is obvious now why 2♦ was a bad bid. I think I'm missing something. Where is it mentioned that partner has three diamonds and a singleton club? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fluffy Posted January 5, 2009 Author Report Share Posted January 5, 2009 on the original post, it is in hidden text if you chose to bid 2♠. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Finch Posted January 5, 2009 Report Share Posted January 5, 2009 Surely the poll doesn't really work, because the scientists either didn't bid 2D on the first round, or have a scientific call now. I mainly play with scientists. In one partnership I responded 3H to 1S showing about 12-15 HCP with 4 spades and an unspecified small singleton. In the other I responded 2NT FG spade raise over which partner made an artificial rebid showing (eventually) shape and strength. So it's only the naturalists who responded 2D in the first place... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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