H_KARLUK Posted January 1, 2009 Report Share Posted January 1, 2009 [hv=d=w&v=b&s=sa865h7da98caqj54]133|100|Scoring: MP[/hv] P 1♣ 1♦ 1♥2♦ P P 3♦P 3♠ P 4♥ P ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mike777 Posted January 1, 2009 Report Share Posted January 1, 2009 [hv=d=w&v=b&s=sa865h7da98caqj54]133|100|Scoring: MP[/hv] P 1♣ 1♦ 1♥2♦ P P 3♦P 3♠ P 4♥ P ? I guess I got to pass to answer your question but I object to 3s...prefer 3nt.I think pard would reopen with dbl if they want to hear spades. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whereagles Posted January 1, 2009 Report Share Posted January 1, 2009 Why didn't I double 2♦? Anyway, if partner is reliable, I just about have one of the best possible hand in this auction. 4NT, followed by some grand slam try if all the keys are there. If pard is unreliable... pass. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gnasher Posted January 1, 2009 Report Share Posted January 1, 2009 Why didn't I double 2♦? Perhaps it would have been a support double? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jdonn Posted January 1, 2009 Report Share Posted January 1, 2009 Definitely 4NT, I am just shy of having been good enough to bid 2♠ over 2♦, and my hand is useful for slam. I'm a little worried about hearts being good enough, but partner has insisted on them so I'll take the chance. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
H_KARLUK Posted January 1, 2009 Author Report Share Posted January 1, 2009 [hv=d=w&v=b&n=sa865h7da98caqj54&w=sjt3ha932dj65ct72&e=s742hdkt432ck9863&s=skq9hkqjt8654dq7c]399|300|Scoring: MP[/hv] P 1♣ 1♦ 1♥2♦ P P 3♦P 3♠ P 4♥ P 4NT p 5♦P 6♥ ap Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mike777 Posted January 1, 2009 Report Share Posted January 1, 2009 Wow partner has a 4loser hand and I opened the bidding. I guess he thinks I open on junk. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Codo Posted January 1, 2009 Report Share Posted January 1, 2009 partner is a bean counter. He sees 12 HCPs so he bids game. He did not see a zillion playing tricks opposite an opening bid. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jdonn Posted January 1, 2009 Report Share Posted January 1, 2009 Wow partner has a 4loser hand and I opened the bidding. I guess he thinks I open on junk.Or he thought that you can easily have an opening hand without the AK of diamonds or A of hearts, seeing as he is missing 16 other high card points? partner is a bean counter. He sees 12 HCPs so he bids game. He did not see a zillion playing tricks opposite an opening bid. He didn't just bid game. He cuebid then bid game. I think he counted his beans very well. Better than you did in fact since he has 13 HCPs. :) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mike777 Posted January 1, 2009 Report Share Posted January 1, 2009 As I said it may have helped if I rebid 3nt not 3s but in anycase wow partner must assume I bid alot on 11 pointhands. I would have tried 4d again over 3nt.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jdonn Posted January 1, 2009 Report Share Posted January 1, 2009 As I said it may have helped if I rebid 3nt not 3s but in anycase wow partner must assume I bid alot on 11 pointhands. What do you mean 11 point hands? He could think you have any or all of AJxx x Jxx AKQJx. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TimG Posted January 1, 2009 Report Share Posted January 1, 2009 partner is a bean counter. He sees 12 HCPs so he bids game. He did not see a zillion playing tricks opposite an opening bid. I don't see a zillion tricks opposite Axxx x Jxx AKJxx, a fairly normal opening bid which seems consistent with the auction. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mike777 Posted January 1, 2009 Report Share Posted January 1, 2009 As I said it may have helped if I rebid 3nt not 3s but in anycase wow partner must assume I bid alot on 11 pointhands. What do you mean 11 point hands? He could think you have any or all of AJxx x Jxx AKQJx. I must admit I would rebid 3s not 3nt with your examples but ok...in any case I still vote for 4d by strong hand. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jdonn Posted January 1, 2009 Report Share Posted January 1, 2009 As I said it may have helped if I rebid 3nt not 3s but in anycase wow partner must assume I bid alot on 11 pointhands. What do you mean 11 point hands? He could think you have any or all of AJxx x Jxx AKQJx. I must admit I might would rebid 3s not 3nt with your examples but ok...in any case I still vote for 4d by strong hand. If I thought of your example hand at the table, I did not, I guess I would rebid 5H..... If you would have bid 3NT instead of 3♠ then fine, but you are focused on the wrong thing. Jxx xx KJx AKJxx would bid 3NT. There are tons of hands you can have where partner can't risk the 5 level. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mike777 Posted January 1, 2009 Report Share Posted January 1, 2009 I must admit over 3nt I would rebid 4d. I got a 4 loser hand....... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jdonn Posted January 2, 2009 Report Share Posted January 2, 2009 You don't have diamond control, and there are only so many times you can cuebid them before partner will expect one. In fact you haven't even agreed a suit, what if partner thinks you are showing club support? I don't have answers to all these questions, but you might want to consider that the auction might sound differently to partner than you mean it. Whatever happened to KISS? :) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mike777 Posted January 2, 2009 Report Share Posted January 2, 2009 You don't have diamond control, and there are only so many times you can cuebid them before partner will expect one. In fact you haven't even agreed a suit, what if partner thinks you are showing club support? I don't have answers to all these questions, but you might want to consider that the auction might sound differently to partner than you mean it. Whatever happened to KISS? :) ok you convinced me....assuming I do not open sound...then 4nt it is...given I open lite with many partners I guess 4nt makes sense, ty. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fluffy Posted January 2, 2009 Report Share Posted January 2, 2009 4NT doesn't solve our problems so much, look what kind of gamdle on the actual hand you had to make when partner showed 1 key card, with ♥QJ10 missing he bid slam anyway. I would like to bid 4♠ instead of 4NT and leave the initiative to partner. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Codo Posted January 2, 2009 Report Share Posted January 2, 2009 partner is a bean counter. He sees 12 HCPs so he bids game. He did not see a zillion playing tricks opposite an opening bid. I don't see a zillion tricks opposite Axxx x Jxx AKJxx, a fairly normal opening bid which seems consistent with the auction. As far as I know AJxx,A,Axx,xxxxx is an opening bid too and seems to be consistent with the bidding. There maybe is a tool to find out whether your well constructed hand or my example is nearer to the reality. Hey, maybe partner opened with Jxxx,x,KJxx,AKQJx and the defence against 4 Heart starts with Diamond ace, Diamond ruff and two more missing aces? Hopefully they do not double... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Codo Posted January 2, 2009 Report Share Posted January 2, 2009 partner is a bean counter. He sees 12 HCPs so he bids game. He did not see a zillion playing tricks opposite an opening bid. He didn't just bid game. He cuebid then bid game. I think he counted his beans very well. Better than you did in fact since he has 13 HCPs. :) 4 HEart was a real masterbid, which makes 81% so far passing. What is your guess: Do we all overlook the strength of openers hand, or may we all expect a worse hand from responder? He cuebid and bid 4 Hearts. What makes you sure, that he has so many playing tricks? I would bet that many BBF members would bid a hand with lets say:Kxx,AKJTxx,Qx,xx with 1 Heart 3 Diamond and 4 Heart. And this hand is obviously much weaker then the example hand. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jdonn Posted January 2, 2009 Report Share Posted January 2, 2009 4 HEart was a real masterbid, which makes 81% so far passing. What is your guess: Do we all overlook the strength of openers hand, or may we all expect a worse hand from responder?The first one. He cuebid and bid 4 Hearts. What makes you sure, that he has so many playing tricks?You just said why! He cuebid and bid 4 Hearts. I would bet that many BBF members would bid a hand with lets say:Kxx,AKJTxx,Qx,xx with 1 Heart 3 Diamond and 4 Heart. And this hand is obviously much weaker then the example hand.Maybe, but they would be misbidding in my opinion. There is no point at all in cuebidding with that hand. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cherdano Posted January 2, 2009 Report Share Posted January 2, 2009 Guys, responder is inviting slam opposite an (assumed) minimum opener. I agree with all that Josh said, except I like 5♥ better than 4N - asking for good trumps seems about what we want to know about. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Finch Posted January 2, 2009 Report Share Posted January 2, 2009 4NT doesn't solve our problems so much, look what kind of gamdle on the actual hand you had to make when partner showed 1 key card, with ♥QJ10 missing he bid slam anyway. I would like to bid 4♠ instead of 4NT and leave the initiative to partner. Yesterday I started writing a long post about how it was obvious to make a move over 4H, but 4NT wasn't the answer. This is my general reaction to all hands when someone says they'd bid blackwood - my response is to assume that some sort of cooperative move must be right instead. Then I started thinking about the hand, and decided that in fact 4NT is the answer, so I stopped posting. Partner has shown a slam try in hearts with this sequence. What can he have if not very good hearts? It's not as if he has plenty of outside controls... Given the number of passes on this thread, my biggest concern is now that I get to the 7-level opposite xx AKQxxxx xx Kx and find trumps 4-1 with the rest of the field in game... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fluffy Posted January 2, 2009 Report Share Posted January 2, 2009 Guys, responder is inviting slam opposite an (assumed) minimum opener. I agree with all that Josh said, except I like 5♥ better than 4N - asking for good trumps seems about what we want to know about. I also like 5♥, but I have a problem with it: on competitive auctions I play 5♥ asking for a control in opponent's suit. IMO this is not to be considered a competitive auction, but I wouldn't risk partner thinking the other way. That's why I like 4♠, partner might bid 4NT just for free, and we will show 3 key cards, wich in fact, its all we have. (not true on the actual hand since partner has a void). On the other hand, Frances is right that 4NT is our only way to reach 7 with confidence. But I would not assume partner has 7 hearts, IMO he could have only AKQ10xx, and that's not a grand I wanna play. After 4♠ -5♣ we might even propse 6♣ wich can be great if partner has ♣Kx(x) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Codo Posted January 2, 2009 Report Share Posted January 2, 2009 4 HEart was a real masterbid, which makes 81% so far passing. What is your guess: Do we all overlook the strength of openers hand, or may we all expect a worse hand from responder?The first one. Do you sometimes here that you are arrogant? Maybe, just maybe whoever claims this has a point. (I would not share the opinion) He cuebid and bid 4 Hearts. What makes you sure, that he has so many playing tricks?You just said why! He cuebid and bid 4 Hearts. Hmm, during the last year I sometimes read a statement like "Gmae before slam". So I doubt that 3 ♦ followed by 4 ♥ is played as a slam try by a majority. (I really disagree with your belive that most passers made a judgement error, I belive that they had another idea about.) Of course it was a slam try when you look at responders hand. But it was not in the eyes of the opener, else he (and most of us) had moved on. I would bet that many BBF members would bid a hand with lets say:Kxx,AKJTxx,Qx,xx with 1 Heart 3 Diamond and 4 Heart. And this hand is obviously much weaker then the example hand. Maybe, but they would be misbidding in my opinion. There is no point at all in cuebidding with that hand. The point is to go to the best game maybe? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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