jdonn Posted January 16, 2009 Report Share Posted January 16, 2009 I just finished one trick from finishing hand 30. And managed to come in 4th out of 11 lol. All I can say is "Wow!" Sometimes even pass-outs take a while for me, since it seems like GIB in 4th seat often takes 5-10 seconds deciding whether to open (how hard is it to count Pearson points?). Something I was wondering: do the $5 games have fewer players per server, so GIB plays faster? Also, do you manage to avoid lots of thin contracts? Since total points scoring really rewards games and slams, I find that I stretch to bid them, and playing a tough contract is naturally slower. Actually the opposite. The reason I got so many hands in yet did so badly is I went down in game like 10 times. I still find the higher the contract, the faster the play by GIB. And I'm playing instantly in every contract, except a slam or perhaps vul game where I just need a little thought. Don't get me wrong, I'm sure I'm playing worse due to the speed, but considering it's instant I'd say I'm playing allright! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
barmar Posted January 16, 2009 Report Share Posted January 16, 2009 Undoubtedly I'm still wasting much too much time during the auctions hovering over bids trying to remember what GIB thinks they mean. Here's one that has me totally confused: 2NT-3♣-3M-cheapest-other-Major. The explanation says that it shows support for the major I bid. I assume it's some kind of slam try, but I haven't figured out what it asks or shows. Yesterday I continued by cue-bidding my minor and it jumped to slam holding 2 or 3 small in the suit, opposite my QJx (or maybe it was vice versa). Amazingly GIB misdefended and didn't take their AK, and I was able to get rid of the loser, so I made this hopeless slam. GIB also really likes to invite slams by jumping to 5 of the agreed major, but I practically never get these decisions right. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AceOfHeart Posted January 17, 2009 Report Share Posted January 17, 2009 GIB also really likes to invite slams by jumping to 5 of the agreed major, but I practically never get these decisions right. I just bid 6 regardless, I never figured 5 of a major out Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
uday Posted January 17, 2009 Report Share Posted January 17, 2009 do the $5 games have fewer players per server, so GIB plays faster? The games all tap into the same pool of robots, all the same speed. I could probably find a way to speed up gib somewhat, at least for the $5 games, with a little bit of effort. U Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VegasVern Posted January 17, 2009 Report Share Posted January 17, 2009 do the $5 games have fewer players per server, so GIB plays faster? The games all tap into the same pool of robots, all the same speed. I could probably find a way to speed up gib somewhat, at least for the $5 games, with a little bit of effort. UIf you rent the robots ($1 for a week) you have the ability to speed them up to their fastest level. This REALLY makes a big difference. They no longer pause for 10-15 seconds while they contemplate following suit. (It's also good practice for the tourneys.) Too bad you can't use that option in the tournaments. Even at that super fast level, they play remarkably well. Also, I'd like to see some Intermediate level robot tourneys. The advanced and expert players usually kick arsenal in most of the ones that I play. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brianshark Posted January 17, 2009 Report Share Posted January 17, 2009 I hadn't played a robot race in ages, and only ever played 1 or 2 before, so I tried out one of the cheap ones where you get the best hand at the table and everyone plays the same hands (these weren't going last time I played a robot race). I only got 16 boards finished, but I think I was a board or two ahead of the rest of the field based on when their big scors came in for the slam hands. I only went off in 1 contract I should have made because of playing too quickly.I still won, but I guess there are no prizes given out to the 0.25$ ones. Grr! :) These things could get quite addictive. :) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
H_KARLUK Posted January 17, 2009 Report Share Posted January 17, 2009 [hv=d=n&v=e&n=s943h8432dk2cj654&w=sq5hk96dajt974ct2&e=sk86hqt5d8cak9873&s=sajt72haj7dq653cq]399|300|Scoring: Total Points[/hv] P 1♣ 1♠ PP 2♣ 2♦ D? 2♠ seems obvious by any human player. Anyways Robot passed. I paid -500 and down to 4th from 1st rank. Just played and finished in 3rd rank. Any explanation please ? I think it's beyond all strategies. Hamdi ps. It does not mean I'm upset or a grumpy one. In fact I liked very much a great defense and another wise play of my partner. However I really wonder if there's a rationale reply to my question. Thanks :) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JLOL Posted January 17, 2009 Report Share Posted January 17, 2009 Probably the same rationale as your decision to bid 2D rather than X 2C, bots like humans sometimes make inexplicably terrible decisions. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
H_KARLUK Posted January 17, 2009 Report Share Posted January 17, 2009 Good or bad i simply showed my 4 cards side suit. 2 spades rescue of partner a must or not? Would robo partner pass and convert to penalty or correct to 2 spades if i doubled 2 clubs? What is th logical reason ? Instead of reading emotional comments i expect technical views. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AceOfHeart Posted January 17, 2009 Report Share Posted January 17, 2009 Sometimes even pass-outs take a while for me, since it seems like GIB in 4th seat often takes 5-10 seconds deciding whether to open (how hard is it to count Pearson points?). Someone need to change the logic of the robot to not open with any balanced or semi balanced hand in 4th seat with less than 12 HCP. Some how my bot open on a 4-3-3-3 on 8 points Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VegasVern Posted January 17, 2009 Report Share Posted January 17, 2009 [hv=d=n&v=e&n=s943h8432dk2cj654&w=sq5hk96dajt974ct2&e=sk86hqt5d8cak9873&s=sajt72haj7dq653cq]399|300|Scoring: Total Points[/hv]Could you please tell me how you put this hand diagram in the post? Thanks Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
H_KARLUK Posted January 17, 2009 Report Share Posted January 17, 2009 Hello, I saved deal. Then I used full hand option and copied what i saw. Good luck. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jdonn Posted January 17, 2009 Report Share Posted January 17, 2009 Someone need to change the logic of the robot to not open with any balanced or semi balanced hand in 4th seat with less than 12 HCP. Some how my bot open on a 4-3-3-3 on 8 points Sorry but if you are refering to "the logic of the robot" then that already shows you don't understand how it chooses its bids. It runs simulations and examines the double dummy results, it doesn't use logic. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
barmar Posted January 19, 2009 Report Share Posted January 19, 2009 Someone need to change the logic of the robot to not open with any balanced or semi balanced hand in 4th seat with less than 12 HCP. Some how my bot open on a 4-3-3-3 on 8 points Sorry but if you are refering to "the logic of the robot" then that already shows you don't understand how it chooses its bids. It runs simulations and examines the double dummy results, it doesn't use logic.I thought its bidding was mostly based on a system database, while card play is based on simulations. It used to give more weight to the simulations during bidding, which produced lots of weird auctions (like transfering to 4-card suits or bidding Stayman and then bidding NT despite finding a 4-4 fit), but Fred fixed this stuff a few months ago. But it still does some weird things. Twice I've seen it open 1D with a 4=4=2=3 hand. And tonight there was an auction where that went something like this (me dealer): 1♣ 1♥ P 2♦P 4♣ P 4♦ All Pass 4♣ was explained as a splinter, but it had a 5-card suit. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jdonn Posted January 19, 2009 Report Share Posted January 19, 2009 I still don't think if follows bidding 'rules' in most situations. There is no rule set for it to, for example, have a minimum strength when opening a balanced hand in fourth seat. More evidence is I saw it recently respond 2♣ to a takeout double of a major with 3343. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brianshark Posted January 20, 2009 Report Share Posted January 20, 2009 It can be extremely frustrating when despite my efforts to pass out a hand, the opps open and I have to compete for a crappy partscore, which takes up a lot of the time. Also, a couple of times the opps bid to a cold game that can't be touched. (Does this happen often?) I only open 1NT with a hand that would accept an invite, except maybe if red. But I don't open 1NT opposite a passed partner anymore because I've played in too many partscores that way. I always super-accept when partner transfers over my 1NT with 3+ in the major as it means we push to an aggresive game often, and the bidding goes quickly. I find that I play the hands about twice as fast as GIB on average. Even at the game level. Except GIB can zip through a couple of 3N+2 type hands in no time. But GIB plays high level hands well. One time he flew through 6NT in about 20 seconds making on a double squeeze. ♥ With regards to doubles in competitive auctions, I think GIB interprets all but the basic t/o double situations as just extra values with no clear bid, where humans would play them as more t/o oriented, which catches out a lot of people. GIB doesn't need a trump stack to want to defend part-scores doubled. But if you actually have your extras and can defend at least close to GIB standard, you will do fine. I find that a lot of people who complain about GIB doing crazy things get caught out because they simply don't have their bid according to what GIB expects them to have. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mtvesuvius Posted January 20, 2009 Report Share Posted January 20, 2009 A couple of times the opps bid to a cold game that can't be touched. (Does this happen often?) Yes. I get these sometimes also. Although at my table they are usually Xed :rolleyes:. I have even had GIB bid 2 making slams against me in Best Hand! Both Vul. too :( Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
barmar Posted January 23, 2009 Report Share Posted January 23, 2009 Yeah, GIB seems to be very good at bidding distribution hands and finding those 22 HCP games. This is another reason to be careful when balancing, it will often push them to the game they weren't going to bid. Unfortunately, GIB N is not very good at figuring out that they're bidding so much because they have voids, so he likes to double them just because I've shown a little extra. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AceOfHeart Posted February 4, 2009 Report Share Posted February 4, 2009 I dont understand some of the description of the bids. What exactly does 8421 HCP in ♠ means? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jdonn Posted February 4, 2009 Report Share Posted February 4, 2009 I dont understand some of the description of the bids. What exactly does 8421 HCP in ♠ means? A = 8, K = 4, Q = 2, J = 1. Accompanied with that GIB will tell you how many '8421' points are shown. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
uday Posted February 4, 2009 Report Share Posted February 4, 2009 The 8421 points are only used when cue bidding. they aren't super reliable. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
barmar Posted February 5, 2009 Report Share Posted February 5, 2009 Or when making game tries. It's GIB's way of representing "concentrated values". Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AceOfHeart Posted February 6, 2009 Report Share Posted February 6, 2009 Well I understand that the GIB somehow based on history will open 4th seat with 10 points sometimes. But is the choice of bid based on history too? I have the honor of GIB opening 1♦ on this hand a few days back at 4th seat all non vul. [hv=s=sqxhakxxxdjxxxcxx]133|100|[/hv] Also have GIB play for finnese on a 9 card fit and drop on 8 card fit on at least 5 hands yesterday. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JLOL Posted February 6, 2009 Report Share Posted February 6, 2009 Also have GIB play for finnese on a 9 card fit and drop on 8 card fit on at least 5 hands yesterday. OMG the horror! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AceOfHeart Posted March 11, 2009 Report Share Posted March 11, 2009 One thing I notice about robot race is that GIB plays much faster in the web client when it is declaring, and somewhat have slower reaction time when I am declaring . However in the windows client, the opposite seems true, defence seems more responsive to my clicks while the gib takes only to declare. So what i do having a chioce of 2 contracts if I am doing the web I let GIB declare and client, I declare. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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