Cascade Posted December 22, 2008 Report Share Posted December 22, 2008 Weak NT system so partner's 1NT rebid is strong 15-17. Partner will reasonably frequently by normal standards rebid 1NT with a singleton in our suit. 2♦ (and also 2♣) is not available as a weak takeout. That is we will have to go to the three-level to show a second suit. The auction is: 1♥ 1♠1NT ? Would you ever consider passing with a void heart and five spades? If you would pass. What would be an example hand 5=0=5=3 or 5=0=3=5 that you would pass? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dicklont Posted December 22, 2008 Report Share Posted December 22, 2008 I abstain.Is it to much to ask that a NT opening or rebid shows a balanced hand? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Codo Posted December 22, 2008 Report Share Posted December 22, 2008 You misunderstood, 1 NT showed a balanced hand... I may pass whenever my partner tends to bid 1 NT with a singelton spade. But I hate those partners anyway.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
helene_t Posted December 22, 2008 Report Share Posted December 22, 2008 It would be nice to have a tool to end in 2♠ when that is right (showing a weak hand with five spades and a minor. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Finch Posted December 22, 2008 Report Share Posted December 22, 2008 You misunderstood, 1 NT showed a balanced hand... I may pass whenever my partner tends to bid 1 NT with a singelton spade. But I hate those partners anyway.... Are we playing 5-card majors? If so, you are saying that partner often rebids 1NT on a 1=5=4=3 or a 1=5=3=4? If so, then I think this is unplayable unless you have a method to show a weak hand with spades and a minor opposite the 1NT rebid. You are using both 2C and 2D as artificial over the 1NT rebid, so you have a lot of sequences. Use some of them for this. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OleBerg Posted December 22, 2008 Report Share Posted December 22, 2008 A weak spade suit, and slow values in the minors. Something like: ♠ 22222♥ -♦ QJ109♣ QJ109 Give or take a few pips. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MFA Posted December 22, 2008 Report Share Posted December 22, 2008 Sure, if partner is even rebidding 1NT with 15(43) types, then I don't see how I can bid 2♠ without a reasonable suit. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whereagles Posted December 22, 2008 Report Share Posted December 22, 2008 It would be nice to have a tool to end in 2♠ when that is right (showing a weak hand with five spades and a minor. If one needs a bid for those situations, I'm pretty suspicious one's doing something wrong. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hotShot Posted December 22, 2008 Report Share Posted December 22, 2008 Of cause i would pass 1NT if my hand is weak so we only have a partscore.Usually this would have to be a 5044 or 40(45) distribution. With some 50(53) especially at IMPs I would try for the minor. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Codo Posted December 22, 2008 Report Share Posted December 22, 2008 You misunderstood, 1 NT showed a balanced hand... I may pass whenever my partner tends to bid 1 NT with a singelton spade. But I hate those partners anyway.... Are we playing 5-card majors? If so, you are saying that partner often rebids 1NT on a 1=5=4=3 or a 1=5=3=4? If so, then I think this is unplayable unless you have a method to show a weak hand with spades and a minor opposite the 1NT rebid. You are using both 2C and 2D as artificial over the 1NT rebid, so you have a lot of sequences. Use some of them for this. I tried to say that I hate partners who often rebid 1 NT with a 15(34) hand. And the only reason to pass 1 NT with a heart void would be a partner who rebids 1 NT with a singelton. Do you think it is playable to rebid 1 NT with 15(43) under the given conditions?Maybe it is, but I do not see how. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fluffy Posted December 22, 2008 Report Share Posted December 22, 2008 I have no experience under this circumstances, but what OleBerg said sounds reasonable to me. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Finch Posted December 22, 2008 Report Share Posted December 22, 2008 You misunderstood, 1 NT showed a balanced hand... I may pass whenever my partner tends to bid 1 NT with a singelton spade. But I hate those partners anyway.... Are we playing 5-card majors? If so, you are saying that partner often rebids 1NT on a 1=5=4=3 or a 1=5=3=4? If so, then I think this is unplayable unless you have a method to show a weak hand with spades and a minor opposite the 1NT rebid. You are using both 2C and 2D as artificial over the 1NT rebid, so you have a lot of sequences. Use some of them for this. I tried to say that I hate partners who often rebid 1 NT with a 15(34) hand. And the only reason to pass 1 NT with a heart void would be a partner who rebids 1 NT with a singelton. Do you think it is playable to rebid 1 NT with 15(43) under the given conditions?Maybe it is, but I do not see how. No, I hate it. But simply saying "I don't like your methods" tends to get short shrift on these forums. So I don't like the methods, but if I am forced to play them, I think I need more methods after the 1NT rebid. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cascade Posted December 22, 2008 Author Report Share Posted December 22, 2008 It was late when I posted this (or at least I was very tired - I had already gone to bed and went and got my laptop in bed, isn't wireless a wonderful thing). So I forgot a few details and didn't think through some others. In answer to some of the the style questions: We play four-card majors. With 1=5=(4-3) we will normally rebid a minor. A 1NT rebid with a singleton will typically be a flawed hand with a concentration of honours in the short suits. Something like: ♠ K (or Q or A)♥ KJxxx♦ Jxxx♣ AQJ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Codo Posted December 22, 2008 Report Share Posted December 22, 2008 Under these circumstances I would just pass when: I had already gone to bed and went and got my laptop in bed. Being tired is an excuse for many things. I cannot construct a single hand where I want to pass 1 NT in your system. I am fully aware that passing can make some spectular success, but I belive that these successes will gain less then 50 % of the losses. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
han Posted December 22, 2008 Report Share Posted December 22, 2008 I would pass 1NT on some 5-0-4-4 hands yes. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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