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Would you ever pass a 1NT rebid with a void?


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Would you ever pass a 1NT rebid with a void?  

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  1. 1. Would you ever pass a 1NT rebid with a void?

    • I would need something exception to remove from 1NT
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    • Yes occasionally I will have the right hand to pass
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    • No its no brainer to remove
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    • You have got to be joking to even think about passing
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Weak NT system so partner's 1NT rebid is strong 15-17.

 

Partner will reasonably frequently by normal standards rebid 1NT with a singleton in our suit.

 

2 (and also 2) is not available as a weak takeout. That is we will have to go to the three-level to show a second suit.

 

The auction is:

 

1 1

1NT ?

 

Would you ever consider passing with a void heart and five spades?

 

If you would pass. What would be an example hand 5=0=5=3 or 5=0=3=5 that you would pass?

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You misunderstood, 1 NT showed a balanced hand...

 

I may pass whenever my partner tends to bid 1 NT with a singelton spade.

 

But I hate those partners anyway....

Are we playing 5-card majors?

 

If so, you are saying that partner often rebids 1NT on a 1=5=4=3 or a 1=5=3=4?

 

If so, then I think this is unplayable unless you have a method to show a weak hand with spades and a minor opposite the 1NT rebid. You are using both 2C and 2D as artificial over the 1NT rebid, so you have a lot of sequences. Use some of them for this.

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You misunderstood, 1 NT showed a balanced hand...

 

I may pass whenever my partner tends to bid 1 NT with a singelton spade.

 

But I hate those partners anyway....

Are we playing 5-card majors?

 

If so, you are saying that partner often rebids 1NT on a 1=5=4=3 or a 1=5=3=4?

 

If so, then I think this is unplayable unless you have a method to show a weak hand with spades and a minor opposite the 1NT rebid. You are using both 2C and 2D as artificial over the 1NT rebid, so you have a lot of sequences. Use some of them for this.

I tried to say that I hate partners who often rebid 1 NT with a 15(34) hand.

 

And the only reason to pass 1 NT with a heart void would be a partner who rebids 1 NT with a singelton.

 

Do you think it is playable to rebid 1 NT with 15(43) under the given conditions?Maybe it is, but I do not see how.

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You misunderstood, 1 NT showed a balanced hand...

 

I may pass whenever my partner tends to bid 1 NT with a singelton spade.

 

But I hate those partners anyway....

Are we playing 5-card majors?

 

If so, you are saying that partner often rebids 1NT on a 1=5=4=3 or a 1=5=3=4?

 

If so, then I think this is unplayable unless you have a method to show a weak hand with spades and a minor opposite the 1NT rebid. You are using both 2C and 2D as artificial over the 1NT rebid, so you have a lot of sequences. Use some of them for this.

I tried to say that I hate partners who often rebid 1 NT with a 15(34) hand.

 

And the only reason to pass 1 NT with a heart void would be a partner who rebids 1 NT with a singelton.

 

Do you think it is playable to rebid 1 NT with 15(43) under the given conditions?Maybe it is, but I do not see how.

No, I hate it.

 

But simply saying "I don't like your methods" tends to get short shrift on these forums.

 

So I don't like the methods, but if I am forced to play them, I think I need more methods after the 1NT rebid.

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It was late when I posted this (or at least I was very tired - I had already gone to bed and went and got my laptop in bed, isn't wireless a wonderful thing). So I forgot a few details and didn't think through some others.

 

In answer to some of the the style questions:

 

We play four-card majors.

 

With 1=5=(4-3) we will normally rebid a minor. A 1NT rebid with a singleton will typically be a flawed hand with a concentration of honours in the short suits. Something like:

 

K (or Q or A)

KJxxx

Jxxx

AQJ

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Under these circumstances I would just pass when:

  I had already gone to bed and went and got my laptop in bed
. Being tired is an excuse for many things.

I cannot construct a single hand where I want to pass 1 NT in your system. I am fully aware that passing can make some spectular success, but I belive that these successes will gain less then 50 % of the losses.

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