Who should have doubled 2H, and when?

[helene_t]

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West North East South

 

 -     1♥    Pass  1♠

 Pass 2♣ Pass 2♥

a.p.

 

Result: -3

 

Could E and/or W have done something in the bidding?

[OleBerg]

A double of 2♥ by West would show his hand, but it requires a strong stomach.

[Hanoi5]

West should have doubled.

[kgr]

in my opnion normal . I don't think W can DBL without 4card ♦.

[hotShot]

West has to find a way to show his strength. West has the information that East can't have enough strength to do anything. West has 2 possible bad bids in he first round of bidding, dbl and 1NT. If 1NT has to promise stopper in both of opps suit, than dbl it is.

[OleBerg]

West has to find a way to show his strength. West has the information that East can't have enough strength to do anything. West has 2 possible bad bids in he first round of bidding, dbl and 1NT. If 1NT has to promise stopper in both of opps suit, than dbl it is.

2♠ is an option, if it is natural. It should be.

[Fluffy]

I think the best way to enter the auction is with a drect 2♠ over 1♠, you know you will have to ger in at some point, and there won't likelly be a better way to do it.

[cherdano]

You just can't pass throughout with the West hand. I like doubling 2♥.

[andy_h]

I would also X 2H. It just seems like you have to get into the auction, especially when opponents may open/respond light at NV.

[Free]

A double of 2♥ by West would show his hand, but it requires a strong stomach.

I disagree, Dbl by West is obvious!

[han]

Agree that double at that point is obvious. The only question is whether west should act immediately by bidding 2S imo.

[benlessard]

Weast has the perfect hand to double 2H IMO. Enough values to have a shot at 3m. While not enough minors or pts to X on first round.

 

Its a bit of a 2 way double.

 

weakish

4144

 

or stronger 51(43) shapes

[dicklont]

I think West should have entered the bidding right away with 2♠.

This makes 3NT a serious possibillty.

However in a pickup partnership 2♠ could easily be mistaken for a non natural bid.

Would you try it on a random advanced partner?

 

Now that West took the save road and passed he should double 2♥.

You can't afford to be pushed around with such a nice hand.

[hotShot]

What would 2♥ over 1♠ show?

[gwnn]

Michaels

[OleBerg]

What would 2♥ over 1♠ show?

6♣ and 4♦

[655321]

As the auction went, West should double 2♥.

 

West could overcall 2♠ at his first turn. The spade suit is only 5 cards long, and not as strong as you would like for an overcall in their suit. On the other hand, West's hand is very good, and at least bidding 2♠ does get his side into the auction.

[OleBerg]

As the auction went, West should double 2♥.

 

West could overcall 2♠ at his first turn.  The spade suit is only 5 cards long, and not as strong as you would like for an overcall in their suit.  On the other hand, West's hand is very good, and at least bidding 2♠ does get his side into the auction.

The more I think of it, the more I like 2♠ at the first turn. It could be a winner with just the ♣Q in partners hand.

 

Anyway, on the actual deal, it seems that a diamond-lead defeats 4♠, so maybe -3 is okay.

 

Edit: Oops, it doesn't.

[gnasher]

Double of 2♥ is clearcut. I don't agree that it might be a weakish 4144 - I'm usually a bidder, but this is far too dangerous an auction to be acting with that.

 

On the previous round, I think 2♠ would be wrong. That should show a far more spade-oriented hand. 2♠ could lead to down two with 5♣ cold.

 

It's tempting to double 1♠, but there's no real need - there's almost no auction where passing will leave you badly placed.

[jdonn]

I prefer pass then double by west, although there are other options (I don't think overcalling on the first round is THAT bad). Certainly he has to act at some point though.

 

Also I agree with gnasher against double being some light 4144 hand. That strikes me as extremely foolish, opener could be bidding again for all we know.

[Cascade]

I would bid 2♠ over 1♠.

 

I don't especially like that with only five moderate spades but I don't feel that sitting around with these 16 hcp is good.

[Codo]

I agree with Josh

[whereagles]

Would probably dbl 2♥ or something. Maybe bid 2♠ over 1♠. I dunno.

[InTime]

[mikeh]

For those who advocate an immediate 2♠: several years ago the BW posted a problem in which partner had bid 2♠, in 4th seat, over a 1♠ response... we had passed the opening bid. The point was to try to establish then-expert styles for the 2♠ bid. Some very good players (including, if memory serves one-half of meckwell and cohen-berkowitz) advocated 2♠ on hands worth a reasonable weak 2♠ opening, while others thought that it should show approximately an opening hand.

 

I think that the given hand fits poorly for both of those approaches.. the spades are too short, and the hand too good. That doesn't mean we don't bid, since it may be safer/more effective to bid now rather than later. But I do think that we need to have some idea what partner will play us for.

 

I go for the pass then double... I agree with those who say that this is NOT a light t.o. Bear in mind that opener is relatively unlimited, and that this is not an OBAR sequence... rho's 2♥ bid usually denies a real raise.. it is a preference.