jw_rob2 Posted December 20, 2008 Report Share Posted December 20, 2008 Some people are so wildly out in their profile skill levels that it makes playing with/against them difficult.The other day I played against a self proclaimed "World Class" player who was surprised to find that P played his cards when he was dummy!! Could I suggest that all members be encouraged to adopt a common basis for asessing skill levels. Beginner less than 6 months palying experienceNovice 6-12 months experienceIt would be helpful if such players stayed in the relaxed bridge club and that (if possible) their scores did not influnce that awarded to other players. As it is, I think that some of the extreme range of results we now see is caused by such players getting things completely wrong. Intermediate Probably the majority of players; typically average club standard.Advanced Represented their club in a competition a a decent standard, won cups or other open tournaments or reached say top 10 in competition such as the Charity Shield.There might be subclasses AS and ES for players who had reached that standard but found that advancing age took the edge off their concentration and judgement. (Basically, they know what to do, but can't always manage to do it) Expert Regularly represented their state or (major) city.World class Represented the country at internationa level. (personally, I do not think such players would find BBO enough of a challenge to interest them, except perhaps for teaching) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fluffy Posted December 20, 2008 Report Share Posted December 20, 2008 World class Represented the country at internationa level. (personally, I do not think such players would find BBO enough of a challenge to interest them, except perhaps for teaching) Many do play on BBO, believe me. I don't understand your suggestion, when I created my account I found info where it stated what skill I was suposed to put myself into depending on things liek you said, so people is encouraged to do it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Free Posted December 20, 2008 Report Share Posted December 20, 2008 ow boy, not again!!! Welcome to the forums btw :P Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
matmat Posted December 20, 2008 Report Share Posted December 20, 2008 the guidelines exist. what do you suggest be done to force people to follow them? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blackshoe Posted December 20, 2008 Report Share Posted December 20, 2008 Whips and chains? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
matmat Posted December 20, 2008 Report Share Posted December 20, 2008 Whips and chains? i doubt that would work. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
peachy Posted December 20, 2008 Report Share Posted December 20, 2008 The guidelines on BBO exist. Some people just don't want to give an honest skill level. Or they truly have not read them. I know of at least one player who thought "World Class" means players who do not reside in the USA... Perhaps occasionally repeated links to the skill description in the News on BBO could be of help to those who really do not know and serve as a little reminder to those who deliberately misrepresent their skill level. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sceptic Posted December 20, 2008 Report Share Posted December 20, 2008 Whips and chains? i doubt that would work. no, but it could be fun Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fluffy Posted December 20, 2008 Report Share Posted December 20, 2008 Whips and chains? i doubt that would work. no, but it could be fun If its the first time to be tried, it would be a scientific test, and since it is in the name os science, it is ok (that's what my old physic's teacher used to say more or less). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shintaro Posted December 20, 2008 Report Share Posted December 20, 2008 :( Much prefer Black Leather Basque (or Blood Red) and Leather Whip with nine Tails :( Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
H_KARLUK Posted December 22, 2008 Report Share Posted December 22, 2008 23 Youth teams in any continent event. 22th ranking team member and no more international field records after that event at least 15 years!Or just an operator,organiser,columnist of some regional&national&international events. Shortly prospects are not bright at table :) Even mostly nonplaying capt. or coach etc.They can carry star symbols, post World Class skill level.No big deal. In my local clubs just "friendly" opponents. So I do not think similar self issued diplome owners shatter the world.It's not my scale then not my fancy. Private skill level OK with me. Here is some memorable quote :A Few Good Men (1992) Nominated for 4 Oscars. Another 7 wins & 14 nominationsDirector:Rob Reiner Writers (WGA):Aaron Sorkin (play&screenplay)Tom Cruise, Jack Nicholson, Demi MooreKaffee: You don't need a patch on your arm to have honor. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
han Posted December 23, 2008 Report Share Posted December 23, 2008 Some intermediate level players say they are world class. If it makes them happy then I don't have a problem with that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MarkDean Posted December 23, 2008 Report Share Posted December 23, 2008 I have often wondered how many players believe they are in the top 100 players in the world. Well not often, but I have wondered it before. Any guesses? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jdonn Posted December 23, 2008 Report Share Posted December 23, 2008 It's about time the forums had an ill-informed post complaining about the self-rating system. I have long been waiting for the day it would finally happen. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trumpace Posted December 23, 2008 Report Share Posted December 23, 2008 Just curious, a question to people who play money bridge: Do you consider the skill level of the opp in your bids and plays? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
H_KARLUK Posted December 23, 2008 Report Share Posted December 23, 2008 Some intermediate level players say they are world class. If it makes them happy then I don't have a problem with that.I've full respect real expertise. I can understand "th others" reasons. They might think to launch another jukebox :) MarkDean may try : http://www.worldbridge.org/people/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cphastrup Posted December 23, 2008 Report Share Posted December 23, 2008 Just curious, a question to people who play money bridge: Do you consider the skill level of the opp in your bids and plays? At money bridge (come to think of it: in most online bridge) I don't take the self-rated skill level much into consideration. I am not that good anyway, and I don't think I vary my game much, depending on the level of the opponents (Not that I don't take free extra chances). All in all - I trust the game I see, and the players I´ve read about :). I haved actually seen a lot of expert players change their profile to "novice" or the like when they go to money bridge - probably to try and lure the lambs in. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
onoway Posted December 23, 2008 Report Share Posted December 23, 2008 any bets on how frequently this comment/complaint/question comes up in the forums? :) Every two months or so, perhaps? Maybe there should be a permanent forum dedicated to this so people know they are not alone in their bewilderment about novices who play Lebensohl with aplomb and experts who can't count the trump cards:) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the hog Posted December 23, 2008 Report Share Posted December 23, 2008 Some intermediate level players say they are world class. If it makes them happy then I don't have a problem with that.I've full respect real expertise. I can understand "th others" reasons. They might think to launch another jukebox :) MarkDean may try : http://www.worldbridge.org/people/ Please explain. I have no idea what this means. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
matmat Posted December 23, 2008 Report Share Posted December 23, 2008 It's about time the forums had an ill-informed post complaining about the self-rating system. I have long been waiting for the day it would finally happen. good thing for you the forums ain't Brighton. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
han Posted December 23, 2008 Report Share Posted December 23, 2008 Well we can all laugh about it but the original poster had a very good suggestion: Could I suggest that all members be encouraged to adopt a common basis for asessing skill levels. Defining the method to assess skill levels is probably the easy part, the hard part is to convince all BBO members to use this method. Who volunteers? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hotShot Posted December 23, 2008 Report Share Posted December 23, 2008 There are about 200 nations, lets say each has sent 10 teams with 6 members to events to represent them over the last 40 years. So there could be 12000 player that fit the description of WC. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CSGibson Posted December 23, 2008 Report Share Posted December 23, 2008 There are about 200 nations, lets say each has sent 10 teams with 6 members to events to represent them over the last 40 years. So there could be 12000 player that fit the description of WC. All of them from Turkey, if you believe the BBO statistics. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cherdano Posted December 23, 2008 Report Share Posted December 23, 2008 There are about 200 nations, lets say each has sent 10 teams with 6 members to events to represent them over the last 40 years. So there could be 12000 player that fit the description of WC. No let's not say 200 nations have sent a team to a bridge world championship. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PeterGill Posted December 23, 2008 Report Share Posted December 23, 2008 A possible idea is that if you rate yourself as World Class or Expert, you have another compulsory field to fill in: Year I Learnt Bridge. This would minimise realities that happen, such as 8 year old kids finding BBO*, unaware that a world of intense bridge-playing exists, and describing themselves as Expert because they are good at games. Obviously it doesn't solve all the problems, but it is simple and might reduce the problems a bit. For those who choose World Class, a field in your profile: "Best Bridge Achievement" is another possibility. Peter Gill * e.g. by googling "play bridge online" Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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