Hanoi5 Posted December 16, 2008 Report Share Posted December 16, 2008 You hold ♠x♥Qxxx♦AKQxxxx♣x Bidding goes: Pass 1♦ 2♣ 2♠3♣ X Pass 3♥Pass ??? Well, probably it's not a rebid, a re-rebid maybe? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
han Posted December 16, 2008 Report Share Posted December 16, 2008 Abstain, double of 3-clubs was incorrect. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hrothgar Posted December 16, 2008 Report Share Posted December 16, 2008 Abstain Would have opened 5♦ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
neilkaz Posted December 16, 2008 Report Share Posted December 16, 2008 Abstain. I would have rebid 3♦ rather than the ambiguous double. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jdonn Posted December 16, 2008 Report Share Posted December 16, 2008 Abstain, ditto han. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kenrexford Posted December 16, 2008 Report Share Posted December 16, 2008 What to bid with an impossibly difficult hand after having already made an impossibly wrong decision? Wild ass guess works. Nothing will tell partner that you have this hand. So, you either bid 4♥ or 6♥, IMO. Maybe even 7♥. I'll guess 6♥. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
P_Marlowe Posted December 16, 2008 Report Share Posted December 16, 2008 Hi, 4H, but I would not be there, what speaks against rebidding mysolid 7 card suit?4D the round before. with kind regardsMarlowe PS: I dont think 3D the round before is enough, since this can bepassed, if not, of course the bid is perfect. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
effervesce Posted December 16, 2008 Report Share Posted December 16, 2008 Abstain, ditto Richard. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
655321 Posted December 16, 2008 Report Share Posted December 16, 2008 Abstain, don't know why I didn't bid 3♦ last round. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whereagles Posted December 16, 2008 Report Share Posted December 16, 2008 Why is everybody abstaining? Regardless of what happened before, it's very simple now. Just keycard and conclude. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
karlson Posted December 16, 2008 Report Share Posted December 16, 2008 Oh come on guys. Yes, double was weird last round, but it's worked out fine. At least we've found hearts, and partner may well have been endplayed into 3N over 3d with an iffy club stopper. I would definitely bid just 4h now and wish partner luck. Slam needs way too many cards in partner's hand. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hanoi5 Posted December 16, 2008 Author Report Share Posted December 16, 2008 I think rebidding 3♦ makes it difficult to reach 4♥. I think doubling and not getting the heart response would have gotten us to diamonds eventually, wouldn't it? Or is it that this hand HAS to be played in diamonds? It is MP after all. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kenrexford Posted December 16, 2008 Report Share Posted December 16, 2008 I think rebidding 3♦ makes it difficult to reach 4♥. I think doubling and not getting the heart response would have gotten us to diamonds eventually, wouldn't it? Or is it that this hand HAS to be played in diamonds? It is MP after all. Would 3♥ be an insufficient bid over 3♦ or something? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikeh Posted December 17, 2008 Report Share Posted December 17, 2008 Abstain, ditto han. abstain, ditto josh Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hanoi5 Posted December 17, 2008 Author Report Share Posted December 17, 2008 Would 3♥ be an insufficient bid over 3♦ or something? It may sound amazing but I hadn't thought of this. :P However, what if bidding 3♦ makes partner think I don't have 4 hearts? The 3♣ double is a negative double which 'tends' to show 4 hearts, while I thought 3♦ denied it. Of course this shouldn't be so unless you have specifically this agreement, so I guess I should have bid 3♦. Only 9 tricks were available though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Viren169 Posted December 17, 2008 Report Share Posted December 17, 2008 Hi, As I have gone out of my to locate the heart fit. I guess I should bid 4H now.4D is an interesting bid... ps I think 3D is a better description of the hand rather than the dble. BRViren Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
helene_t Posted December 17, 2008 Report Share Posted December 17, 2008 I think rebidding 3♦ makes it difficult to reach 4♥. I think doubling and not getting the heart response would have gotten us to diamonds eventually, wouldn't it? Or is it that this hand HAS to be played in diamonds? It is MP after all. Would 3♥ be an insufficient bid over 3♦ or something? No but p would not introduce a 4-card hearts over 3♦. If you really want to locate a 4-4 heart fit (which wouldn't be my priority) you have to double I think. Anyway, ditto Viren. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
han Posted December 17, 2008 Report Share Posted December 17, 2008 Oh come on guys. Yes, double was weird last round, but it's worked out fine. Double was not just weird, it was really bad imo. Pointing this out seems like the most useful feedback to give. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kenrexford Posted December 17, 2008 Report Share Posted December 17, 2008 I think rebidding 3♦ makes it difficult to reach 4♥. I think doubling and not getting the heart response would have gotten us to diamonds eventually, wouldn't it? Or is it that this hand HAS to be played in diamonds? It is MP after all. Would 3♥ be an insufficient bid over 3♦ or something? No but p would not introduce a 4-card hearts over 3♦. If you really want to locate a 4-4 heart fit (which wouldn't be my priority) you have to double I think. Anyway, ditto Viren. Why would partner not bid a four-card heart suit after 3♦? Is there some rule that says that a 3♦ bidder cannot have four hearts, that a 2♠ bidder cannot have four hearts, and that you cannot bid them even if you have them? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jdonn Posted December 17, 2008 Report Share Posted December 17, 2008 I'm completely with Ken on this one. How can you say double seems to have worked? We are now guessing what to do when we could have described our hand and left it to partner. I really can't think of a reason partner wouldn't bid hearts over 3♦ if he held hearts. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Codo Posted December 18, 2008 Report Share Posted December 18, 2008 I think the double was not as bad as most say. We all know that LHO did pass over our bid. But I really doubt that you have a convincing way to come to your heart fit if he did not. When the bidding starts with pass 1♦ 2 ♣ 2 ♠ 3♣ 3 ♦ 4♣ I would be surprised if anybody has a agreement that 4 ♥ now shows 4 Hearts and how strong this bid should be. OTOH if the bidding develops aroundpass 1♦ 2 ♣ 2 ♠ 3♣ X 4♣ pass(?)pass 4♦ we had paint a quite accurate picture of our hand. Of course I can say that there is no way that I want to play in hearts ever, then there is no need to double. But I would not underwrite that POV. Anyway, now I have a "clear" 4 Diamond bid. My hand is good, but obviously not good enough to go on after the expected 4 Heart from partner. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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