Long or short?

[MarkDean]

AKQJT

T95

void

AKJ83

 

White vs Red, IMPs

 

As dealer, you open 1S, partner raises to 2S

 

No agreements, but you assume partner would take 3C as natural and 4D as a splinter.

 

What is your call?

[mike777]

I would have tried 4d, I want to hear 4h.

[CSGibson]

3 clubs followed by 4 diamonds, looking for a heart cue-bid. Or, I suppose 4 diamonds right away is fine, too, and blasting over 4 hearts (which I would take as last train, not necessarily heart Ace, but what else can partner have and still make a last train call besides heart honors?)

[kenrexford]

3♣.

[mtvesuvius]

I need to hear a heart cuebid from partner. 4♦.

[P_Marlowe]

3C.

 

If the choice is between 3C and 4D.

Personnaly I would give up chasing the

rainbow and bid 4S, but there are lucky

days.

 

3C has the adv. that you can give partner

a 2nd chance to bid.

Besides you hear if he has min or max.,

which is also something you need to hear.

 

With kind regards

Marlowe

[H_KARLUK]

4♠

[whereagles]

I'll try the zia-bid of 4 HEARTS :)

[han]

IMO this is not a good situation for a psychic 4H because it is too likely that if partner goes on after that, you won't have any play for slam.

[karlson]

3♣ seems like by far the best route to staying out of slam if partner has ♣xxx. There will be plenty of time to check for the heart control.

[Fluffy]

We miss 4 cards, slam chances are small, I would try 4♦ and give up if I don't hear 4♥ next.

[xcurt]

3C has the adv. that you can give partner a 2nd chance to bid.

Agree with 3♣ for this reason. 4♦ puts tremendous pressure on partner to cuebid with no trump honors. We really only need ♠xxxx, ♥A, ♣Q to make a slam.

[Codo]

3 ♣, because the queen of club is so valuable and xxx is so bad... and for the other reasons given.

[keylime]

3♣. I know where I am wanting to go. I have a good five card suit. I may need to play in clubs to get a pitch on the major suit fit.

[foo]

AKQJT_T95_-_AKJ83

 

White vs Red, IMPs

 

As dealer, you open 1S, partner raises to 2S

 

No agreements, but you assume partner would take 3C as natural and 4D as a splinter. 

 

What is your call?

I do not like making splinters with a wide open side suit.

 

If Responder has 2 good cards, We have five level safety. If they have 3, We belong in slam. I'm going to pattern out my hand.

 

1S-2S;3C-any;4C-any;4H or 5H -??

 

Is my initial plan.

[ArtK78]

3♣.

 

I am the one who needs information, not partner. Therefore, the telling bid of 4♦, while it may elicit a 4♥ response, is not right. Partner does not need to know about my diamond shortness, and neither do the opponents.

 

Also, you do not necessarily need the ♥A to make a slam. xxxx KQx xxx Qxx or even xxxx KQx xxxx xx is enough for reasonable play for slam. The ♥A would be better, but I will find out about it just as easily (perhaps more easily) by bidding 3♣ and then bidding 4♣ or 4♦ on the next round.

[quiddity]

Long or short? Why not medium?

[Tcyk]

3C can't be right because this is some kind of a game try. Obviously most of the replies assume it is a help-suit game try. If I were to rebid 3C and follow this with 4D. My partner would figure out that I had better than a game try. He would also figure that this was a residual bid and therefore I was short in hearts. This is not the picture I want to paint. A splinter bid is better but it is a well known fact that a splinter bid in a void is not good practice. Partner will not discount the value of an ace in that suit. In my opinion, the only acceptable rebid is 4S.

[Tcyk]

AKQJT_T95_-_AKJ83

 

White vs Red, IMPs

 

As dealer, you open 1S, partner raises to 2S

 

No agreements, but you assume partner would take 3C as natural and 4D as a splinter. 

 

What is your call?

I do not like making splinters with a wide open side suit.

 

If Responder has 2 good cards, We have five level safety. If they have 3, We belong in slam. I'm going to pattern out my hand.

 

1S-2S;3C-any;4C-any;4H or 5H -??

 

Is my initial plan.

This is the same problem. If I rebid 3C and then bid the club suit again, my partner, being smarter than me, will figure out that I am 6-5 in the black suits. Another picture I don't want to paint.

[awm]

4♦ seems fine to me.

 

If partner moves over this he will not have much wasted in diamonds. Slam seems okay opposite the ♥AK, or ♥A+♦A, or ♥KQ+♣Q, and so forth. I don't see any issue with having a "wide open suit" -- partner isn't going to move past 4♠ if he has lots of junk in diamonds and since he cannot have any spade honors or any club honors other than the queen, he basically has to have heart cards to make a positive move here.

[Free]

3♣

[kenrexford]

3C can't be right because this is some kind of a game try. Obviously most of the replies assume it is a help-suit game try. If I were to rebid 3C and follow this with 4D. My partner would figure out that I had better than a game try. He would also figure that this was a residual bid and therefore I was short in hearts. This is not the picture I want to paint. A splinter bid is better but it is a well known fact that a splinter bid in a void is not good practice. Partner will not discount the value of an ace in that suit. In my opinion, the only acceptable rebid is 4S.

I think you are assuming something completely different from many of us.

 

I would expect calls by Opener after 3♣ to be control bids. But, if you actually were to make pure pattern bids, then the usual modern default, IMO, is length-length-shortness, not length-length-fragment. Hence, Opener would bid 4♦ at his third bid as a shortness bid, not 4♥ as a fragment bid.

 

But, if you wanted to play length-length-fragment, then you obviously would not bid 4♦. You would bid 4♥ to show the short diamond, leaving it to partner to figure out to move with the heart control.