Comment Bidding

[kgr]

[hv=d=e&v=n&n=saj6haktdq7caq652&s=skqt5h842d6ckt943]133|200|Scoring: IMP[/hv]

(2H)-P-(p)-DBL

(3D)-3S-(4D)-4S

(5D)-P-(P)-5S

(p)-p-(DBL)-All pass

 

(North blamed South for bidding 3S. I guess a DBL by South would be penalty?)

 

Lead ♦A (East ♦8)

♦3 to ♦K , South discarding ♥2.

East plays ♣J for ♣A in North (West ♣8).

You now play ♠A from North, East ♠8 and West ♠2.

How do you continue now?

[Hanoi5]

I draw trumps. I don't know of any way to make the hand if spades are worse than 4-2, the important play of the hand was discarding the heart on the second diamond, now the hand should make about 70% of the time.

[OleBerg]

In the bidding, my blame goes to North.

 

A double of 3♦ looks so much like a penalty-double to me, that I wouldn't dare to bid it withouth a firm agreement. (It would probably be take-out according to Robson - Seagal though.)

 

In my book a double of 4♦ is take-out, for which North has the perfect hand:

 

- Strength to bid again.

- Only three spades.

- The unbid suit is an option.

 

The 5♠ call over 5♦ is playing partner for the perfect hand. (Which they never have.)

 

Can't see anything fancy in the play.

[jdonn]

Bidding: I think it was fine until north made his final bid of 5♠ instead of doubling 5♦. I don't think there is a reasonable way to find 6♣ unless south plays a double of 3♦ as responsive, which I wouldn't.

 

Play: Of course the only way to make is to draw trump and hope they are 4-2, but are they? East really looks to be 6-5. 5-5 may be possible but 6-4 certainly isn't (no way would easy bid 5♦ with that shape.) The problem of course is what if we draw two rounds of trumps and they are 5-1, we will lose control and I believe go down 3, vulnerable, doubled. And that's if east is 1651 - if east is 1552 I believe it's even worse. But complicating things is that if I settle for down 1 (drawing one round of trumps then running my tricks) I don't see any way that we won't lose lots of imps on the board. Almost every possible result would involve a game-sized plus or more for N/S at the other table. Pretty much the only scenario I can imagine that doesn't would be 3♥ p p 3NT, and a diamond lead for down 1.

 

All things considered, I just think it's way too likely trumps are 5-1 and I don't want to go for 800 or even worse in case our teammates did well to get a plus score, so I will play the ace of spades and run my tricks to settle for down 1.

[jdonn]

I draw trumps. I don't know of any way to make the hand if spades are worse than 4-2, the important play of the hand was discarding the heart on the second diamond, now the hand should make about 70% of the time.

70%? In abstract sure, but not after this auction...

[kgr]

jdonn's analysis was pretty complete.

East has 1=6=5=1.

I misplayed first by playing 2 ♠'s. You only go -2 then (you switch to ♣ until West ruffs and West then has to play ♦ in double ruff. You ruff in N and play H until West ruffs. You can ruff Diamond return, play ♠ to get West's last trump and cashthe winners).

B) I did ruff ♦ at the end, but ending with ♠K and ♥8 (♥K in dummy) I played ♥ giving W a ruff and another trick for -3. ...That was probably enough reason for North to criticise my bidding and play and to leave.

[kgr]

BTW: I thought this hand is very interesting to study because it teaches trump control and communicating (Not playing a 2nd trump allows communication to S to draw trumps). ...So i should thank N for leaving and triggering me to study this hand. B)

[gnasher]

Over 3♦, I think 3♥ should be like a responsive double. I doubt if that would get you to 6♣, but at least it would avoid 5♠.

[Finch]

Over 3♦, I think 3♥ should be like a responsive double. I doubt if that would get you to 6♣, but at least it would avoid 5♠.

I was about to say the same thing.

 

Generally, when the opponents have bid two suits in this type of auction, and a double would be penalties, the cue is available as a 'responsive double'. Similarly applies to e.g.

 

1H P P x

2D 2H

 

or 1H x 1S 2H

[OleBerg]

Over 3♦, I think 3♥ should be like a responsive double.  I doubt if that would get you to 6♣, but at least it would avoid 5♠.

I was about to say the same thing.

 

Generally, when the opponents have bid two suits in this type of auction, and a double would be penalties, the cue is available as a 'responsive double'. Similarly applies to e.g.

 

1H P P x

2D 2H

 

or 1H x 1S 2H

Sounds right. Must admit I missed it the first time.

 

So the 3♥ shows 4 spades?

 

I ask because many play that, for instance

 

(2♥) - X - (3♥) - X

 

does not show 4 spades, and probably denies it.

 

I can see that the situation is not the same, but still I would be a little afraid to bid 3♥ with four spades.

[brianshark]

The dbl of 3♦ is penalties so I have no problem with 3♠. The dbl of 4♦ would show better Diamonds so despite the fact that I have only 3 cards in partner's chosen suit and have a balanced hand rather than a take-out hand, you kind of have to bid 4♠ to show your extras. But when 5♦ is bid in front of you, just smack it. It's tough to find 6♣.