respect

[han]

In third seat, red against white you pick up the lovely:

 

xx

x

A10xxxx

J9xx

 

It goes pass pass to you, you are playing IMPs, what do you do?

[maggieb]

2D

 

Goodness, with 6-4 distribution in third seat you will need to come up with something better than unfavorable vulnerability to stop me from preempting! ;) :P

[mike777]

In third seat, red against white you pick up the lovely:

 

xx

x

A10xxxx

J9xx

 

It goes pass pass to you, you are playing IMPs, what do you do?

Pass, I prefer to stick to old fashion 2=3=4 even in third seat but this may be out of date winning bridge. At least if I open 2d partner has an agreement.

[rogerclee]

2♦ just barely.

[OleBerg]

For a compulsive overbidder like me, 2♦ is a wtp?.

[Fluffy]

2♦ if avaible, if not I will pass, 3♦ is too m uch even for me.

[Hanoi5]

1 or 3♦. 1♦ is probably more dangerous.

[gwnn]

If I read him correctly, Kit Woolsey considers ATxxxx the second worst 6-card suit to preempt on (Axxxxx would be the worst), but eh we have a weak hand with diamonds so I will not overthink this and bid 2♦.

[benlessard]

You wont buy the hand so why tell declarer how to play the hand ? As for lead directing its unlikely theyll play in NT.

 

At a suit contract. Its possible that a S lead blow a trick while a D lead is best but other than that I see no point in preempting.

[gnasher]

You wont buy the hand so why tell declarer how to play the hand ? As for lead directing its unlikely theyll play in NT.

 

At a suit contract. Its possible that a S lead blow a trick while a D lead is best but other than that I see no point in preempting.

When I preempt, it isn't because I want to buy the hand, and lead-direction is only a secondary objective. The main purpose of preemption is to take away the opponents' bidding space, in the hope that this causes them to play at the wrong level or in the wrong strain.

[whereagles]

seems like a canonical 2D

[dake50]

As my partnership plays light Major openings, I reliably 'know' opponents have M-fit and 26 hcp (maybe MM-double fit). 3D for me. Against non-vul esp -- Vul have little problem at IMP to decide game, 10-6 IMP for game; but nv 6-6 IMP so I have hope they mis-bid(small chance), over-bid(small chance), under-bid(big chance).

[H_KARLUK]

Pass

 

I do not see where is the rest 35 HCP. So I do not like to underline my weakness and unbalanced distribution. I think it may be an advantage for declarer on later steps.

 

Bear in mind say p is max. and has 11 hcp, so opps are 24 hcp!

[jdonn]

As my partnership plays light Major openings, I reliably 'know' opponents have M-fit and 26 hcp (maybe MM-double fit). 3D for me. Against non-vul esp -- Vul have little problem at IMP to decide game, 10-6 IMP for game; but nv 6-6 IMP so I have hope they mis-bid(small chance), over-bid(small chance), under-bid(big chance).

Or double and kill you in 3♦ (biggest chance!)

[keylime]

I pass. Bidding 2D when pard didn't open....nah.

[han]

Interesting that both gnasher and jdonn correct others but refuse to say what they would do with this hand. :P

[jdonn]

Interesting that both gnasher and jdonn correct others but refuse to say what they would do with this hand.  :P

My answer was a fert. It had no constructive qualities, but was a necessary element of my overall posting system.

 

I would bid 2♦ and hope I don't go for a number.

[gnasher]

Interesting that both gnasher and jdonn correct others but refuse to say what they would do with this hand. :P

I was merely trying to keep the discussion focused on things that matter.

 

Since you ask, I'd pass, feeling a little old.

[Winstonm]

2D and this is why.

 

It is 100% clear that this hand belongs to the opponents.

I have been presented with a way to interfere cheaply with their bidding mechanisms.

 

When I bid this quaint 2D, LHO can rip off about two-thirds or more of his convention card - this seemingly innocuous bid of 2D takes away.

 

1-level minor openings and rebids

1-level major openings and forcing NT

1N opening bid and 2-level transfers

Openers reverses.

Openers 1-level bids with subsequent jump rebid

Openers 1-level bids with subsequent jump shifts

Opening strong 1C and 2C

And on and on and on.

 

Turn the convention card over and look at that one little corner that describes defensive bidding - after a 2D opening, that's all the opponents get to use.

 

IMHO, any partner worth the name would understand the 3rd-seat aspect of a weak 2-bid and never hang you so you go for a number. It's kind of like balancing - partner should know you already bid his cards when you opened 2D.

[nige1]

In third seat, red against white you pick up the lovely: ♠ xx ♥ x ♦ A10xxxx ♣ J9xx

It goes pass pass to you, you are playing IMPs, what do you do?

IMO 2♦ = 10, _P = 7, 3♦ = 4.

[effervesce]

2♦ for me.

 

Things in favor of bidding:

-3rd seat. You know it's the opp's hand, and want to preempt them from the right place

-6/4 shape

 

against bidding:

-poor suit at adverse vul

 

We may go for a number, but the 3rd seat and 6/4 tilt it enough to make bidding outweigh the sizable risk of going for a large number.

[effervesce]

I pass. Bidding 2D when pard didn't open....nah.

It's when partner's a passed hand that makes it even BETTER to preempt than worse - because you are so much more likely to

 

a) not have game

b ) partner is more likely to have a fit given he did not preempt himself

c) the opps are more likely to have game/slam

[ochinko]

Would anyone consider 2NT if it shows both minors and a weak hand?

[gnasher]

So, continuing my new role of discussion policeman:

 

IMHO, any partner worth the name would understand the 3rd-seat aspect of a weak 2-bid and never hang you so you go for a number.  It's kind of like balancing - partner should know you already bid his cards when you opened 2D.

The main risk of preempting isn't that partner will overcompete. The risks are that:

- You are already too high and get caught.

- You tell them how to make a contract that would otherwise have gone down.

- You encourage them to play in a making 3NT instead of a non-making suit contract.

[Flameous]

Easy 2D. All white 3D.